Thread: Girl drops with new system

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Good on you, he is a pretty clear dev apologist.

Ahah, if i'm a dev apologist (which i'm not since I have my own complains about the game), that would make you just another random hater, then ^_^

Well...

My experience is that before the big change, I had been farming Silvanus for a whole lot of fights, with 2 girls left to drop... I heard that the recent fights without girl dropping would spread out among the world bosses, so I got exited because I also have a farm-able girl waiting on Ninja Village and one on Grunt...

And then the change came...

I kept farming on Silvanus (unless to get the event girl). Now silvanus is capped at level 170, I got the Val Abrael (already had Val Red Battler), then kept farming silvanus. Never let the combativity reach 20, always fighting silvanus. Farmed him so much I think he is dry in the bones. Still no girls dropping...

I almost feel like farming another... Maybe it will "unclog" him... But the developers said that the bosses now work independently with their own drop rates... So I keep fighting the skull-man... Hoping to see Leeditt or Queen Titania someday...

Originally Posted by nicktwine

Well...

My experience is that before the big change, I had been farming Silvanus for a whole lot of fights, with 2 girls left to drop... I heard that the recent fights without girl dropping would spread out among the world bosses, so I got exited because I also have a farm-able girl waiting on Ninja Village and one on Grunt...

And then the change came...

I kept farming on Silvanus (unless to get the event girl). Now silvanus is capped at level 170, I got the Val Abrael (already had Val Red Battler), then kept farming silvanus. Never let the combativity reach 20, always fighting silvanus. Farmed him so much I think he is dry in the bones. Still no girls dropping...

I almost feel like farming another... Maybe it will "unclog" him... But the developers said that the bosses now work independently with their own drop rates... So I keep fighting the skull-man... Hoping to see Leeditt or Queen Titania someday...

similar experience with the new droprate. I started finalmedica at level 90 and will get her to max level 260 today - did not get the last girl, in over 800 tries (actually it is close to 850 tries without a drop)

Originally Posted by nicktwine

Well...

My experience is that before the big change, I had been farming Silvanus for a whole lot of fights, with 2 girls left to drop... I heard that the recent fights without girl dropping would spread out among the world bosses, so I got exited because I also have a farm-able girl waiting on Ninja Village and one on Grunt...

And then the change came...

I kept farming on Silvanus (unless to get the event girl). Now silvanus is capped at level 170, I got the Val Abrael (already had Val Red Battler), then kept farming silvanus. Never let the combativity reach 20, always fighting silvanus. Farmed him so much I think he is dry in the bones. Still no girls dropping...

I almost feel like farming another... Maybe it will "unclog" him... But the developers said that the bosses now work independently with their own drop rates... So I keep fighting the skull-man... Hoping to see Leeditt or Queen Titania someday...

One element to take into account is that for each fight against a boss for which you don't drop a girl, the drop rate is incremented. And that increment is function of the boss you fight. Dark Lord increments more than Silvanus.
So, yes, a mix of bad luck and lower increment rate can realisticly explains why you didn't drop yet.
For what it's worth, someone on discord dropped 3 boss girls in same day last monday (without using kobans). So, yes, it drops. But as with everything RNG based, it might be very quick or take some time.

I had been trying to get the final Ninja girl for like forever and after the 2.0 update she finally dropped. Think it works fine. The increment that the chance goes up is miniscule each time they don't drop and it's still a chance.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

One element to take into account is that for each fight against a boss for which you don't drop a girl, the drop rate is incremented. And that increment is function of the boss you fight. Dark Lord increments more than Silvanus.
So, yes, a mix of bad luck and lower increment rate can realisticly explains why you didn't drop yet.
For what it's worth, someone on discord dropped 3 boss girls in same day last monday (without using kobans). So, yes, it drops. But as with everything RNG based, it might be very quick or take some time.

But isn't that what they were "trying to avoid" with incremental increases in drop rates after not dropping for a while. I have 1 girl left for Silvanus and I have maxed him out and still no drops. Not to mention I hit about 200 battles with him before that with that same girl left and still nothing. RNG is fine, but I shouldn't have to do 1000 battles to get one girl. That's just retarded.

damn, i've been farming non-stop at the Gruntt to get Nicole sine the event started, it dropped me Miss spook and Regine. got nothing against these ladies but shouldn't the drop rate of event girl be higher than normal farmable girls? so ended up doing epic pachinko to try my luck for event girls and got 4 shit items lol.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

damn, i've been farming non-stop at the Gruntt to get Nicole sine the event started, it dropped me Miss spook and Regine. got nothing against these ladies but shouldn't the drop rate of event girl be higher than normal farmable girls? so ended up doing epic pachinko to try my luck for event girls and got 4 shit items lol.

"shouldn't the drop rate of event girl be higher than normal farmable girls?"
It's only partially true. It was entirely true until the end of August, when the drop rate for event girl was 3 times higher then drop rate for normal girl.
But now, with each new battle where you drop no girl, the drop rate for normal girl increase. While the drop rate for event girl stays flat.
So, there are many situations where the drop rate for event girl is below the rate for "normal" girl.

Only thing we know today about the event girl drop rate is that it's equal to "3X x Y", where X is the pre-rebalance drop rate for normal girl and Y a multiplicator added few weeks ago to compensate for the reduced number of troll battle per day. Of course the values for X and Y are unknown by the community.

Most importantly, it's all RNG based, so rare occurence can happen where you drop 2 normal girls in quick succession and no event girl. After all, your situation could happen even if the event girl drop rate was effectively 3 times higher.

I feel my biggest gripe with their system is that NOBODY knows what the actual percentage drop rates are and by how much percent does each increment increase the overall drop rate.

Like if a drop rate starts out at 0.1% and then goes up by 0.01% every time you fail I could understand. Like "oh, i had a 0.1% chance of getting her, I did 100 failed battles, now I have a 1.1% chance of getting her", that way even if i fail i fail knowing that i only had 1.1% chance anyways so it seems more understandable to me.

Just release the drop rates for girls for each rival and release the amount that each no-drop battle increases the drop percentage.

If I do 700 battle I assume with the new system that my drop rate should be 75% or something. I want to know if in actually its only 7%.

Even then at 7% i should be hitting the girl in 20 battles, but still.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

"shouldn't the drop rate of event girl be higher than normal farmable girls?"
It's only partially true. It was entirely true until the end of August, when the drop rate for event girl was 3 times higher then drop rate for normal girl.
But now, with each new battle where you drop no girl, the drop rate for normal girl increase. While the drop rate for event girl stays flat.
So, there are many situations where the drop rate for event girl is below the rate for "normal" girl.

Only thing we know today about the event girl drop rate is that it's equal to "3X x Y", where X is the pre-rebalance drop rate for normal girl and Y a multiplicator added few weeks ago to compensate for the reduced number of troll battle per day. Of course the values for X and Y are unknown by the community.

Most importantly, it's all RNG based, so rare occurence can happen where you drop 2 normal girls in quick succession and no event girl. After all, your situation could happen even if the event girl drop rate was effectively 3 times higher.

thanks man, for the clear cut explanation! It would be nice if the community got to know the "X" and "Y", it would make fights without girl dropping feel more like achieving towards a goal.