Thread: Attraction system is trash.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I think its to soon to have an complete opinion of the new system. We still have the chance to get the girls with one win. Today i got lucky and got the legendary girl. I got 100 affection at once. Before that i had 39 shards.

The chance to get the girl in one is still the same as Before. We have now a second Chance with the affection shards.

I will wait till the next Event to have a final opinion. But know i think It's Not to Bad.

You're right: it's not too bad. It is awfully bad.

All the players wanted was a safety net to avoid wasting kobans and getitng nothing in return and, possibly, eliminate the useless and boring grinding that is only a waste of time. How to do it? Easy: a guarantee shards drop. Here is an easy to include example of safety net:

-Story girls drop rate cycle: money, money, money, money and shards (from 1 to X). Safety net of 1200 battles to get all 3 girls;
-Event girls: 5 different girls in the first 5 trolls, for 5 days, with this drop cycle: money, money and shards (from 1 to X). Safety net of 1000 battles to get all 5 girls.

Now, for event girls, this means a maximum of 200 battles to have 1 girl and 200 battles can be done with free attack points, therefore any player will have at least 1 event girl each event (2 on 2 weeks event, of course), which incentivates the player to, at least keep playing, while those who want all the girls will use kobans on them.

Of course, the possibility of 100 shards still remains; I'd say 1% per battle (not incremental). It is a reasonable percentage.

It's a win-win situation.

A couple of OT suggestions while I'm at it: allow to use 20 energy points to gain 1 attack point, so the energy doesn't go wasted when there is no more story, event missions no longer than 6 hours and give 2 XP and affection points to the girls in case of defeat in the arena.

So now that the event is over i must say that i don't like it. I can see the apeal for girls you have unlimited time to get, but on the girls with a limit it is gonna hurt more. I did read the patch notes, and they did say that edwarda drops from 1-7 shards. Not ONCE did i get more than 3.

And this is the pain i get when it is one girls im chasing. How will it be on HH birthday. There you have the chance to get multiple girls from every boss.
Is the meta then to spam dark lord because he can drop the most amount of shards? Or will the event then end with "yay i got 10-40 shards on 7 different girls.

I want this to work because it might be apealing but so far it is more of a torture. I did not dare to spend my combatpoints unless i had 10+. Because it felt like i only got money after money and no shards if i did 5 in a row. And never saw a shard drop and if it did... 1.... This hurts more than exites me.

And to the val shao my bigest regret is not spamming the refresh the second to last day. See you in a year Val Shao

Well I think they listened to us at least a little bit after that joke of an event. I just did 2 of those 10x energy fights and got 20 attraction each time. Maybe that's just luck but that's a lot more consistent than 1 per 20 fights. Sucks that there are 4 pachinko girls and only 1 earnable girl rather than the usual 3 and 2.

Originally Posted by frigidd

Well I think they listened to us at least a little bit after that joke of an event. I just did 2 of those 10x energy fights and got 20 attraction each time. Maybe that's just luck but that's a lot more consistent than 1 per 20 fights. Sucks that there are 4 pachinko girls and only 1 earnable girl rather than the usual 3 and 2.

By talking with people in my club. It looks like the rarity of the girl has an impact on the dropchance of shards

Originally Posted by Huleboer

So now that the event is over i must say that i don't like it. I can see the apeal for girls you have unlimited time to get, but on the girls with a limit it is gonna hurt more. I did read the patch notes, and they did say that edwarda drops from 1-7 shards. Not ONCE did i get more than 3.

And this is the pain i get when it is one girls im chasing. How will it be on HH birthday. There you have the chance to get multiple girls from every boss.
Is the meta then to spam dark lord because he can drop the most amount of shards? Or will the event then end with "yay i got 10-40 shards on 7 different girls.

I want this to work because it might be apealing but so far it is more of a torture. I did not dare to spend my combatpoints unless i had 10+. Because it felt like i only got money after money and no shards if i did 5 in a row. And never saw a shard drop and if it did... 1.... This hurts more than exites me.

And to the val shao my bigest regret is not spamming the refresh the second to last day. See you in a year Val Shao

Here you can see I have used the 10x battle I got 8 rewards from the boss and two heart sets. You basically lose income from the heart system just to see your progress were the pity system did it all in the background, also as you can see more girls make your chances worst so newer players will be getting hearts for world girls and event girls making it easier to miss an event for being new to the game.

I'm trying to get to grips with this new system, and I do like that you can see progress, but... and this is kinda my confusion... Is the general idea of the devs that you very, very rarely get the girl 1st time round, but instead build a faux harem of girls on a waiting list to join you? (other than the very rare chance you get a 100% jewel drop). Which by my understanding would mean I'd have to forward plan, ohh let's say a couple of years at least, hmmm, that seems a lot to ask, when my enjoyment of the game should be enough to keep me playing whether or not I choose to pay (personally I do the monthly sub for Kobans) or for free in the here and now.

It would seem that even whales cannot profit from this system either, which is a bonus for fledgling players, but not a good company decision, so that adds to my confusion.

Yeah, I'm very confused with this decision, it seems poorly implemented, I had high hopes for this but they have now disappeared into the distance, I now feel I had a better chance of obtaining a character better before this happened. It was the same old, same old...whales buy their way to the top, grinders work for it and casual gamers can just have a bit of fun. Now I don't know,this just seems unbalanced.

Anyhoo, that me.

The odds are so bad. Yes, seeing any progress is nice, but if the odds are so awful, it's just super frustrating. I spend all of the event time trying to win the droppable event girls. With the days inbetween where I get to fight story girls, I barely get ANY shards. It's quite mocking. Like, you seriously think I'm going to play for a whole year to get the 30 shards I need to complete a girl from an annual event? Give me a break. There is a life to be lived, and this is a time pass. But with this kind of greedy system, it is very frustrating and makes me want to quit playing.

At this point its better to play the game as a vn than an rpg with collectible characters as the bad systems before and now seem to always ask for 100% focus even if you get no reward and also like I posted before the new system causes you to loses rewards for affection when that was originally a background stat.

Okay, so my first reaction to this update was really negative.

After trying it a bit, the update is not quite as bad as I first thought.

The chance to get all 100 shards to drop isn't completely horrible. But since it is still very very low, it would be nice if Kinkoid could just verify if they did or did not decrease the chance of the "full drop" of 100 shards compared to the prior chance of getting the girl/guy to drop. Knowing that Kinkoid did or did not nerf the full drop chance would put my mind at ease about the new update a lot.

Also, it's nice that when you get the full drop of 100 shards, all of the shards you had earned for that guy/girl get converted into affection items, since buying affection items to upgrade your harem is prohibitively expensive and most of us are sitting on a harem full of un-upgraded haremettes. However, it is NOT nice that when you get a drop of 2, or 3, or 5 shards, it comes at the expense of not getting whatever cash you were going to earn from defeating that troll. When a troll has 3 guys/girls left to drop, I get shard drops at least 1 out of every 10 combativity. That is 10% LESS CASH that I am earning, that I used to earn because in the old system almost every troll fight resulted in a money drop and, rarely, you would get the full guy/girl to drop. The new system should be changed so that when shards drop, some money still drops at the same time. Yes, if you get lucky and get the 100 shard drop, the extra shards get converted into affection items...but I probably wanted to use the cash for stat upgrades or hentai scenes or just getting through the storyline, and the affection items sell for a fraction of their true cost. Like someone else said earlier, the shard drops could have been a stat kept in the background to guarantee that you wouldn't spend thousands of kobans and get nothing; instead, it is in the foreground, ruining the surprise of when a guy/girl is eventually going to drop, and replacing the cash we desperately need to drop as well.

Overall, I like the idea behind the shard drops, and not being as "surprised" about which guy/girl is dropping and when they are dropping is definitely a sacrifice I am willing to make in order to have a more even playing experience when spending kobans. And the excess shards turning into affection items is a nice bonus that helps solve the problem of upgrading your harem being prohibitively expensive in terms of buying affection items. But I want verification that the update wasn't used as an opportunity to screw us by implementing even lower "full drop" chances, and I am running into serious cash flow issues due to frequent 1-3 shard drops that replace all the cash I needed to earn from trolls, so I would prefer if the shards dropped alongside the normal cash instead of replacing it.

Yes but if you SUPER whale and give him all your $$$ you can get it now no confusion this is a blatant greedy cashrip that I hope blows up in his greedy smug little face