Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by samdan

What is the general meta for wind for the near future?

My SSR's are:

Cu Chu, Cybele U, Gaia AW, Titania AW, Odin, Azazel, Set

What I really need to know is who to NOT unlock accessory slots for. I've got Cu, Gaia, and Set unlocked, and I can unlock 3 more himes' slots. Who is worth unlocking slots for, and who is just gonna sit on the shelf so I'm better off saving magnas for a future hime?

> Cu
Up to you

> QB
Up to you / Mostly kick

> Gaia
Doit

> Titania
Kick

>Odin
Kick

> Azzy
Doit

> Set
...... Kick. You'd want Frigg instead of Set later.

> Aether
Get her if you can, and unlock her ASAP.

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Far Future:

> Atum
> Ishtar

^ Good luck getting these. You'd want them as Wind main. And maybe Sol too but ehhhh.

Originally Posted by Bear

> QB
Up to you / Mostly kick

Who is this? I don't recognize who QB could be?


Dejnov.

Originally Posted by Dejnov

Who is this? I don't recognize who QB could be?

It's Cybele. In Japanese, her pronunciation sounds like 'QB' (or so I've been told, I don't speak Japanese.)

Originally Posted by dreamlitz

It's Cybele. In Japanese, her pronunciation sounds like 'QB' (or so I've been told, I don't speak Japanese.)

In the game it sounds like Queue-Belly because Japs pronounce names based on their accent anyway. It's pronounced Sib-uh-Lee.

'S' only applies to English.
Them Nips have a habit of romanizing names base on the source language, and in this case Cybele is indeed pronounced with a 'K' - Kybele, in Greek. That being said, this doesn't excuse Nips' bizarre habit of romanizing many things with '-y-' using 'yu'... resulting in Kyu~bere (QB), Pyu~ton (Python), Tyu~pon (Typhon) and the likes

At the risk of attracting all the "lul git gud, be more mlg" commentary in the entire history of the universe, I must ask - How in the hell do I use Shingen properly? I just unlocked her - so no spear yet (been told that's the go-to weapon).
Suppose I should also mention that I have no ancient jewelry (and nowhere close in terms of being able to do rank 5 accessory) and only 2 or 3 pieces of jewelry with +attack rate on it. Only just started being able to do rank 4 accessory quests. I have a few tiaras - I'm told that I should stack those - but they all suck. Only one of them has +attack on it.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

At the risk of attracting all the "lul git gud, be more mlg" commentary in the entire history of the universe, I must ask - How in the hell do I use Shingen properly? I just unlocked her - so no spear yet (been told that's the go-to weapon).
Suppose I should also mention that I have no ancient jewelry (and nowhere close in terms of being able to do rank 5 accessory) and only 2 or 3 pieces of jewelry with +attack rate on it. Only just started being able to do rank 4 accessory quests. I have a few tiaras - I'm told that I should stack those - but they all suck. Only one of them has +attack on it.

lul git gud, be more mlg!

Sorry, had to.

But with that out of the way, based on my experience with using Shingen on my water team, she's best used on a team that can achieve a Full Burst in 6 turns (preferably less for the first one), assuming you want to use Provisional Forest off cooldown and FB right away (or use it 2-3 turns after the battle has started and FB before its duration expires). You can accomplish this in a number of ways, depending on what hime you have access to.

For water, Asherah can give 20 BG to the entire party every 9 turns, helping you get the first FB quickly, while also providing a stacking 20%/30% Burst DMG increase to compliment/maximize the damage of your FB. Saraswati, on the other hand, can help bring any hime/souls falling behind up to speed with her combo buff, and can also help Shingen regain BG quickly after using Provisional Forest with her healing skill (assuming no one else needs it) even without Shingen's spear. Vohu Manah can insta-burst whenever and give everyone else 10BG, she can gain her BG back quickly with Guaranteed Triple, and she also has Water Res Down to help you reach defensive debuff caps.

Lakshmi (who needs her own spot to explain this, based on personal experience) can also be a pretty good option if you know what you're doing. She has a powerful passive ability (increased ATK, combo rates, and Abi/Burst DMG caps for each stack of Erosion up to 4), extremely powerful nuke skill (hits twice at level 75 with 3 erosion), and a powerful Burst (does additional echo DMG equal to half her burst DMG at 4 erosion), meaning that she can easily build up her burst gauge AND provide damage that water teams sometimes lack, especially against Fire (stacking Crit buff). However, she can easily become a glass cannon and die quickly if you're not paying attention (2.5% Max HP DoT and less healing received (potion healing seem unaffected) for each stack of Erosion up to 4). So you need to have good erosion control with her, and use her self regen/nullify/Erosion reset if you think she won't make it to the next turn.

For light, Michael AW is your go-to hime for speedy FBs, and it's suggested to almost always have a spot for her in your main lineup (not sure if this still applies before Awakening). Vishnu is also another option with her 5T/1CD stacking buffs, but be careful not to let her take damage or her momentum will come to a screeching halt (having a 0 show up won't cause her to lose her personal buffs).

Of course, if you have 15 Master Points and your team can handle the necessary debuffs without needing to use Shingen's EX slot, then get her Encourage Inspiration Mastery EX skill and use it. 20 BG on a 6-turn cooldown means that Shingen can easily speed up most teams by herself (and also get full BG after PF with spear), though extra combo buffs and BG generator certainly don't hurt if you happen to have them.

Edit: Don't worry about whether or not your accessories are good yet. As long as you've got 3 tiaras of any grade (preferably SSR) to equip on a hime with 5 acc slots (for the combo rate boost), you're good to go, and you can worry about getting better accessories later. As far as I've read, Ancient accessories aren't a HUGE upgrade over normal SSR accessories, so don't worry about not having them right now, and just focus on getting tiaras and other okay accessories (though obviously trash/fodder any extra/non-tiaras that have something useless, like Mode Gauge x3).

So if I understand correctly then, Shingen is more or less an endgame or burst time soul. Outside of burst time, I should use a different soul, assuming that I cannot guarantee a quick - in your statement, ~6 turns - burst cycle. Would that be an accurate conclusion?

With that in mind, assuming I ever get to the point where I can actually make use of Shingen, what extra would I be using, outside of the unlock you mentioned? I assume sniper shot, unless I could guarantee debuffs from another source, which I can't - currently running D'Artagnan.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

So if I understand correctly then, Shingen is more or less an endgame or burst time soul. Outside of burst time, I should use a different soul, assuming that I cannot guarantee a quick - in your statement, ~6 turns - burst cycle. Would that be an accurate conclusion?

With that in mind, assuming I ever get to the point where I can actually make use of Shingen, what extra would I be using, outside of the unlock you mentioned? I assume sniper shot, unless I could guarantee debuffs from another source, which I can't - currently running D'Artagnan.

Forgot that I couldn't edit posts made as anon.
Anyway, was also curious, is Shingen's bow useful at any point? Or is it just all spear, all the way

Originally Posted by Unregistered

How in the hell do I use Shingen properly? I just unlocked her - so no spear yet (been told that's the go-to weapon).

Basically what ChronosNotashi said - Shingen is the fastest soul currently available, so if your soul was previously the bottleneck for FB, she's the one you want. You will want her spear if you want to use PF reliably without outside help or have a super-speed team she needs to keep up with.

Originally Posted by ChronosNotashi

As long as you've got 3 tiaras of any grade (preferably SSR) to equip on a hime with 5 acc slots (for the combo rate boost), you're good to go, and you can worry about getting better accessories later.

Given that the poster just started doing AQ4, he is unlikely to be farming rags consistently to unlock acc slots yet (unless he has strong friends, in which case, good for him!) Accessories are well worth farming even if you don't have slots unlocked though. Fully upgraded accessories give non-trivial boosts to your himes.

As far as I've read, Ancient accessories aren't a HUGE upgrade over normal SSR accessories, so don't worry about not having them right now

Going from SSR to Ancient is not as big a jump as SR to SSR, but it is still a noticeable jump - it's not just the raw stats that improve, new and stronger effects appear on ancient. Obviously there's still a lot of RNG and it's possible to get regular SSR that are better than ancient ones, but if you want to hit the next level, you will want to start farming AQ5 eventually. Pace yourself though, AQ5 is the first solo content that you cannot turtle through (even GO you can sort of turtle with the right setup; well maybe except Jack...) If you just started clearing AQ4, expect to take some time before you can beat AQ5.

something useless, like Mode Gauge x3

I actually have a MGR x3 tiara, lol. Kept it because it's a tiara... Also, MGR is gone from ancients, but they put in a new useless skill in its place - burst gauge up - useless 'cos its effect is so small that it gets rounded off. >.>

Originally Posted by Unregistered

So if I understand correctly then, Shingen is more or less an endgame or burst time soul. Outside of burst time, I should use a different soul, assuming that I cannot guarantee a quick - in your statement, ~6 turns - burst cycle. Would that be an accurate conclusion?

If your team is slow, consider using Hercules instead. With her axe, she's still pretty fast, she'll solve most of your def down problems and she's much more durable than Shingen.

Btw, you can also Ex PF on Hercules or Arthur if you don't want to run Shingen but still want those big burst numbers.

With that in mind, assuming I ever get to the point where I can actually make use of Shingen, what extra would I be using, outside of the unlock you mentioned? I assume sniper shot, unless I could guarantee debuffs from another source, which I can't - currently running D'Artagnan.

Depends on your team and situation. Shingen or not, the Ex slot is meant to fill whatever gaps your team has. If your team lack B frame debuffs, sure Ex SS, but if the boss is debuff resistant, Ex something else.

Originally Posted by toastedsnow

Anyway, was also curious, is Shingen's bow useful at any point? Or is it just all spear, all the way

Problem with the bow is that PF alone will hit the burst multiplier cap, so if you have exceed weapons, those are wasted (you will still need exceed weapons to raise the burst dmg cap though, PF doesn't raise the dmg cap.) Also, if you can't FB, PF is not that strong, and it's harder to guarantee that Shingen can FB with the team after PF if you don't use the spear. The bow also boosts hp instead of elemental atk.

There probably is some limited use case like maybe if you're trying to MVP a raid event boss during BT and can get Shingen back to 100 BG after PF from hime abilities, and you have no exceed weapons, but unless you're drowning in regalia, I would skip the bow.