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    Quote Originally Posted by Slashley View Post
    Yes.

    The dream is, you fight something like Phoenix who has no "skill" to use and will often multi-attack.
    You buff up Odin's combo+ skill, Berserk and Intercept (plus whatever other atk+ buffs).
    Odin's first skill is +20 Burst, triple attacks for 2x damage (6x damage so far), boss triple attacks Odin, Odin takes no damage and hits back for 4x damage (12x damage counter, 18x damage done so far). Just by herself, Odin by herself has dealt as much damage as you'd deal in almost FOUR TURNS. If you use A and B atk+ buffs on Odin, I'm pretty sure that'll go way past four turns. And gained +80 Burst by herself in a single turn, too.

    Is that good? Hell yes.
    Is that fun? Oh yes.
    Is that viable? Sadly, no. It's just way too unlikely, plus it requires you to run Berserk.

    Odin is sadly around the powerlevel of a good SR. Something like Oberon is a great SR thanks to her double debuffs, for example.
    that sounds very overpowered, but as said it's kinda a gamble if you get attacked or not.
    on the other hand, i've checked some other wind kami and saw Cu chulainn (self attack up frame C+ guaranteed triple attack for 3 turns)
    so let say we go with a team just for fun to see her offense damage-
    Arthur (attack up 20% frame A)+ freja (+25% frame B) OR awakened titania (60% frame B)+ her own skill (30% frame C)+ puck rampage+ the skill to deal triple attack for 2 turns.
    so this far it's kinda guaranteed of good damage, aside of it you can add freja's Intercept if you use her instead of titania so gamble again.
    so yea, not the skill of odin to boost your attack the more your HP is down, but she can still deal a nice amount of damage and get to 100% burst fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slashley View Post
    Yes she can.

    The encyclopedia in Sanahtlig's toolbox gives you a quick peek on all the upcoming SSRs. Nike isn't listed as Limited Edition and thus is available.
    Oh okay, I have no idea why I thought Nike couldn't be gotten from miracle tickets... must have misread it at some point. Thanks for correcting!

  3. #1793
    I'd like to maximise my current fire team's damage and debuff management. Which has better output?

    A.) D'artagnan w/ +20% atk A, Nergal (-10% def A)
    B.) D'artagnan w/ -20% def A, Baphomet (-10% atk A)

    Currently this is the only team I can afford:
    D'artagnan w/ +20% atk A
    Amaterasu
    Agni
    Nergal
    Amon
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    Dartagnan kinda overlaps with Amaterasu, don't you think?
    That said, that broken good SSR weapon Dartagnan has might be worth it.

    Anyway, if you want debuffs, then bring Ambush instead of Arthur's atk buff. It's wayyyy more damage output. And because Ambush is the same frame as Nergal, Baphomet becomes better.

    But if you mean for this Union event... ... well, chances are you just need to forget about debuffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eunicorn View Post
    I'd like to maximise my current fire team's damage and debuff management. Which has better output?

    A.) D'artagnan w/ +20% atk A, Nergal (-10% def A)
    B.) D'artagnan w/ -20% def A, Baphomet (-10% atk A)

    Currently this is the only team I can afford:
    D'artagnan w/ +20% atk A
    Amaterasu
    Agni
    Nergal
    Amon
    are you using both amaterasu and d'artagnan in case 1 of them will miss their attack?
    their attack+def debuff is the same amount and same frame, normally i would suggest to use a different soul
    but the the boss next event have high sebuff resistance so it may be ok if 1 of them miss (though there is also a chance you may miss both anyway)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slashley View Post
    a1
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainNoobCN View Post
    a2
    I sort of intended to overlap D'artagnan with Amaterasu: first thing is that I couldn't get any fire element weapons other than Yatagarasu's SSR gun (which is very great) so I had no choice, and yes below that is the chance of securing the -atk and -def lest D'artagnan's debuff misses. Other minor thing is that I have no healer in my team besides Amaterasu.

    I will use my current team both in the long run and in the upcoming union event.

    Alright, now I think choice B's has better output. I've been getting tempted with Arthur's +20atk instead of Gawain's -20def before I ask it here. Thanks for the advice!
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    I have a calculator that will tell you which combination of buffs/debuffs will result in the most damage. It can also factor in the (small) effect of having an SSR weapon equipped as primary.
    Magicami Starter Guide: Rerolling for Success
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    The Fire SSR Gun grants the whole team a elemental attack buff, which is a pretty damn huge deal. Particularly in Union content where you get a boost to double and triple attack frequency.

    ... does anyone know how much the boost is? Like, exactly or even roughly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slashley View Post
    The Fire SSR Gun grants the whole team a elemental attack buff, which is a pretty damn huge deal. Particularly in Union content where you get a boost to double and triple attack frequency.

    ... does anyone know how much the boost is? Like, exactly or even roughly?
    It's +10%. That's actually pretty good, especially since it'll buff the rest of your Full Burst. But for most content, I wouldn't sacrifice a valuable debuff just for that. D'art and Amaterasu don't synergize at all.
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    Well, the point is, this specific content. Outside of Lust, stacking Dartagnan with Amaterasu is madness indeed. Unless you're looking for heals, there probably isn't a better Soul against Lust? And using heals in Union fights tends to end badly, since the high-leveled Ultimate fights will oneshot you regardless. I guess Joan is an option by giving you a couple of extra turns before the next Overdrive oneshots you.

    Assuming that the success rate of debuffs is 30% and you're running triple debuffs (Sniper Shot, Ambush, Amaterasu) you're likely to get... about 1 (def) debuff up? Let's have a quick look, 34% of the time you'll land none, and... 9+6... 15% of the time you'll land both? So 51% of the time you'll land one, I guess? Somebody could do the proper maths on that one.

    I guess running Ambush is still better than running Arthur's atk buff. Goes to show just how damn bad buffs are in this game compared to debuffs.

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