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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    But Chronos has c-type debuff too as i understand it (it is stackable with b-type Cybele/D'arty's debuff and a-type Hastur's buff) so i don' need Zephyr's debuff. In addition Osiris can make enemy skip a turn, a usefull ability not very high proc chance, but still better then nothing. Yes, Zephyrus will have a benifit from weapon skills so she will have little more damage (Osiris has greater base damage/hp as partial compensation), but damage of one R hime (that will be much less then for example Chronos's) is compensated with faster burst for all party, so total number of turns to kill boss will be not greater, maybe even less(especialy if i can burst twice) and greater surviability. Spending 500 soul points to Andromeda instead of Cassy is bad idea for me - her res skill is not needed at all, i'll better pick Jean as replacement of Gaja when i should get this SP.
    Cronus doesn't, it's B frame. In that case, Cybele and Cronus are essentially just refreshing timers, not stacking debuffs. You need to recheck your debuff encyclopedia. With that out of the way, Zephyrus is your only source of C frame atk debuff, which I stress is very important. Charm is better than nothing, but why settle for better than nothing when you have a more reliable better debuff on hand? Picking up Andro was a suggestion you don't have to follow, but you were worried about heals... But yeah, Joan is generally the better pick

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    But i'm talking about the exchange of DEFENDER gun with 900+ attack, who gives 0% attack bonus and 3.5% hp, with second assault disaster bow (i already have 4 copies of it). Idea to replace instead off-element ssr weapon with about 1900 attack seems to be much worse. Yes, if i could craft third bow - i will think about it, but it will be not so soon.
    I see. In that case, do switch the defender gun out first. I was assuming you'd have multiple wind bows on hand... so whoops
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    But Chronos has c-type debuff too as i understand it (it is stackable with b-type Cybele/D'arty's debuff and a-type Hastur's buff) so i don' need Zephyr's debuff.--
    Where are you getting these frame info from? Chronos should be B type, so not stackable Cybele or Sniper Shot.

    I'd recommend either Aken's spreadsheet or The encyclopedia in Sanahtlig's toolbox for checking debuff frames.

  3. #3753
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    I was using Zephyrs before i've got Osiris and she is not better than her in no way. Zephyrs heals 500/5t=100hp/t and does a-type attack debuff. Osiris heals 1100/5t=220hp/t with additional +15 burst gauge (it's 1-2 turns faster burst) and has damaging skill with dizzness. Yes, Zephyrs does a little bit more damage because she is wind (but burst is still weaker then Osiris's), but in general she is not a replacement to Osiris at all.
    A 'bit' more damage would be wrong. Rs can do double or triple damage of off element SSRs. What matters is your weapon grid and main/friend eidolon. Since your weapons arent leveled and many incomplete, of course it would see Osiris does more.

    Zeph also does a c-frame debuff, meaning youll take less damage and need less heals to begin with and you dont need Osiris to heal when you have Ithaqua, assuming I'm not mistakening her for another kamihime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac View Post
    Cronus doesn't, it's B frame. In that case, Cybele and Cronus are essentially just refreshing timers, not stacking debuffs. You need to recheck your debuff encyclopedia. With that out of the way, Zephyrus is your only source of C frame atk debuff, which I stress is very important. Charm is better than nothing, but why settle for better than nothing when you have a more reliable better debuff on hand? Picking up Andro was a suggestion you don't have to follow, but you were worried about heals... But yeah, Joan is generally the better pick



    I see. In that case, do switch the defender gun out first. I was assuming you'd have multiple wind bows on hand... so whoops
    I don't know what is written in encyclopedia, but cybele/darty's debuffs are stackable with Chronus, not refreshing. I have 2 different attack debuffs at once so she has not b-type debuff. Damage from bosses is significantly redused when they both applied together. And one more - b-type are dual attack+def debuffs, Chronos has attack buff for self and debuff for 1 target. And as her skill's buff part is stackable with Hastur's a-type attack buff - i assume that it's c-type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    3)And another question: my current parties are 1)Mordred, Hastur, Chronos, SR Cybele, Osiris 2)D'arty, Hastur, Chronos, Itaqua, Osiris (no more ssr, no more wind sr, many rares). I found, that Itaqua deals almost the same damage as SR Cybele so i'm using her when i don't need b-type debuff. Yesterday i've got Amaterasu from the premium ticket. Is it a good idea to replace someone (maybe Osiris) with her in this parties?
    >>Suggested team for now? Just replace Cybele with any wind SR/SSR KH if you find one~ For now, use sub-slot for raising KH~
    Main: Mordred w/ SS + Hastur + SR Cybele + Ithaqua + Caspiel
    Sub: Osiris + Zephyrus/Boreas/any KH

    Kinda ideal (?) weapon grid for wind F2P... Just go focus on a single elemental team for now (and rush it)
    Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A-wind-grid-lel.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maria View Post
    >>Suggested team for now? Just replace Cybele with any wind SR/SSR KH if you find one~ For now, use sub-slot for raising KH~
    Main: Mordred w/ SS + Hastur + SR Cybele + Ithaqua + Caspiel
    Sub: Osiris + Zephyrus/Boreas/any KH

    Kinda ideal (?) weapon grid for wind F2P... Just go focus on a single elemental team for now (and rush it)
    Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A-wind-grid-lel.jpg
    Now that's a healthy looking Wind grid, I'm kinda jealous.
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    Fellas, let's take advantage of the gem gacha update. Let us consider.... Scathach. 15% A-frame Def debuff every 7 turns. 2 turns of guaranteed double attacks for herself every 8 turns. Replace Osiris with her in either configuration.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    Fellas, let's take advantage of the gem gacha update. Let us consider.... Scathach. 15% A-frame Def debuff every 7 turns. 2 turns of guaranteed double attacks for herself every 8 turns. Replace Osiris with her in either configuration.
    Gah, never mind. I forgot that Hastur is def down; thought she was atk down.

    Put Puck in then for the single target berserk.

    (assuming that you haven't rolled another R like Caspiel)
    Last edited by Laventale; 04-06-2018 at 11:34 AM. Reason: Same poster triple post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    I don't know what is written in encyclopedia, but cybele/darty's debuffs are stackable with Chronus, not refreshing. I have 2 different attack debuffs at once so she has not b-type debuff. Damage from bosses is significantly redused when they both applied together. And one more - b-type are dual attack+def debuffs, Chronos has attack buff for self and debuff for 1 target. And as her skill's buff part is stackable with Hastur's a-type attack buff - i assume that it's c-type.
    I'm not sure where you're getting your information from. It doesn't stack, there's plenty of sources that say it doesn't and I can even say so myself as my wind team has both Cybele and Cronus. In fact, Cybele's debuff overwrites Cronus' debuff and Cronus' debuff can't even overwrite Cybele's despite being the same amount.

    Atk up buffs are not important to factor in.

    The only way I could see you having more than 1 atk down icon is if you have another source you didn't bring up, like already using Dart's gun or an eidolon or playing a raid where someone else used it
    Last edited by Aidoru; 04-06-2018 at 02:28 PM.

  9. #3759
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    As a practice is the only criteria of truth, i made party of Mordred (SS), Hastur, Chronos, Zephyrus, Osiris and tried to check how all this things are working. I used water disaster raids as test subjects to prevent elemental advantage factor. Osiris and Zephyrus are both BL3.
    Damage was for example Zephyrus 6.5-6.8k Osiris 5-5.4k
    Burst - 16+k Zephyrus 24k Osiris
    This means that with my weapons/eidolons damage difference is insignificant. Sure, with 100+% assault and Hraesvelgr the difference will be much more, so there should be no sence to use off-element himes somedays.
    And i was wrong, Cronos debuff was realy b-type, this means i had second debuff from other source. This makes her less usefull, but she still deals nice damage. I will try setup with Zephyrus instead of Osiris for several days, maybe it will be batter. Caspiel is an option too, but she's only lvl20 so i will up her in reserve and use instead of Chronos to have 50% attack debuff.

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    Don't need Hraesvelgr to make on-element crush off-element in damage. How familiar are you with the damage formulae?

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