Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Hum guys I would like to ask a question now, can anyone please answer. I heard some people said something about Arthur equiping Hercules' relic weapon for the -25% Def (instant burst), but can we even get the skill that was supposedly exclusive to Hercules, like the +30% elemental atk?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hum guys I would like to ask a question now, can anyone please answer. I heard some people said something about Arthur equiping Hercules' relic weapon for the -25% Def (instant burst), but can we even get the skill that was supposedly exclusive to Hercules, like the +30% elemental atk?

No.

You can get the Burst effect when equipping on other Souls, but you don't get the other two effects as those are Soul specific. You don't get the elemental attack/HP, and you don't get the skill boost. So even if you put the Axe on Arthur and put Herc's third skill on Arthur, it'll just be the normal, usual third skill.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hum guys I would like to ask a question now, can anyone please answer. I heard some people said something about Arthur equiping Hercules' relic weapon for the -25% Def (instant burst), but can we even get the skill that was supposedly exclusive to Hercules, like the +30% elemental atk?

No you don't get the attack bonus if you use a different soul.

The only thing that I can think of is that if Elem Res- debuff really does help debuffs land, then it's really good news for Thor. Like in Sloth rankings screenshot that I saw, all the teams had Thor and SSR Baal. Is that really the solo reason why people think she's good? "Hey, I saw this Hime on the rankings boards, she must be great!"
... yes... she has a niche of being Thor's buff-bitch. That's... great? I wish people would make actual arguments for SSR Baal. Such as, replacing Mammon due to her downsides in the far future. There, I got you started, why don't you finish that line of thought?

You know that elem res- debuff is also a 30% def down, right?

I think he does know that? IIRC, his main complaint about SSR Baal was the 90 second duration on that skill.
But that's mitigated by Baal's cooldown reset skill. IIRC, the idea is to fire the debuff first->reset cooldown->when 90 seconds are up, cast debuff again for another 90 seconds->at least 8 turns should've passed within 180 seconds so you can reset cooldowns again->cast debuff a third time for another 90 seconds. You should be able to string together close to 270 seconds of that debuff in the worst case scenario. And 270 seconds ought to be enough time in fights that get resolved in under 20+ turns. Which as noted by you guys earlier should be the normal situation.

Originally Posted by Kimoi

You know that elem res- debuff is also a 30% def down, right?

Yes, I do. But Def cap is already covered by Mammon and Charles Blast Dartagnan.

Which leads further into the line of thought I mentioned earlier, but nobody has said out loud on these forums.

Not gonna bother answering Slashley anymore, it's clear that he basically just has a boner for Light Nike.

Originally Posted by blubbergott

From my point of view, a current dmm light team will always consist of: Michael, Metatron and most likely SSArty. That means Nike would be competing for the 4th slot against Take (way more damage than Nike would be doing outside of her assault buff + ~1m added to each burst), Tsuku (5% more def down, Nuke and blind) and maybe Sol if you really need heal/cleanse/dispel. And that's the thing, it's near impossible to just compare the damage/utility any of these adds to the assault Nike adds. It's definitely completely wrong to completely ignore it the way you did.

A solid thing to point out, but a few corrections/additions: Tsuku adds 5% def down only in case you use Herc, and it would be more precise to say that Herc adds 15% when she finally bursts, since SSArty+Tsuku does cover for 35%. I know it feels a bit nitpicking, but that's how it is.
You could consider using Tish instead of Tsuku, since she's more offense friendly with her buff.
Also, you might as well consider using Shingen(Sniper Shot) instead of Herc, in which case Tsuku's light resist down has more value.

As for Take, her burst echo dmg works a bit more complicated than that. It depends on her number of stacks: number of stacks x 250k, the max is 1.25m (since 5 stacks are the max).

Originally Posted by Slashley

Yes, I do. But Def cap is already covered by Mammon and Charles Blast Dartagnan.

Which leads further into the line of thought I mentioned earlier, but nobody has said out loud on these forums.

Cause you dont need d'art anymore if you have baal, duh, it gives you flexibility to use other souls like morgan (with thunder aphro for retarded auto dmg), shingen or hercules, its pretty basic knowledge that these 3 souls shit on d'art, thats the whole point of SSR baal, but you couldnt grasp that yourself which proves how dumb you are.

Originally Posted by nonsensei

A solid thing to point out, but a few corrections/additions: Tsuku adds 5% def down only in case you use Herc, and it would be more precise to say that Herc adds 15% when she finally bursts, since SSArty+Tsuku does cover for 35%. I know it feels a bit nitpicking, but that's how it is.
You could consider using Tish instead of Tsuku, since she's more offense friendly with her buff.
Also, you might as well consider using Shingen(Sniper Shot) instead of Herc, in which case Tsuku's light resist down has more value.

As for Take, her burst echo dmg works a bit more complicated than that. It depends on her number of stacks: number of stacks x 250k, the max is 1.25m (since 5 stacks are the max).

Ye, fair points. Tbh, I just wrote these examples down rather quickly, obviously there's way more options and soul choices that each get complemented better/worse by different KH. For Take I just assumed an average of 3-4 stacks when you burst (from what I've seen on videos so far), so went with that (since Slashley wanted numbers). :P

Light in a year (or i guess 9 months onwards) looks so much fun, can't wait for it.

Originally Posted by Ikki

Cause you dont need d'art anymore if you have baal, duh, it gives you flexibility to use other souls like morgan (with thunder aphro for retarded auto dmg), shingen or hercules, its pretty basic knowledge that these 3 souls shit on d'art, thats the whole point of SSR baal, but you couldnt grasp that yourself which proves how dumb you are.

That's a good start - and now you're the first one to say it out loud. Congratulations. You've now accomplished something in your life. An insult for an insult sound fair enough for you?

That's not all, though.
Although Mammon will certainly be the lord and savior of Thunder teams for us for quite some time, she comes with a few downsides. According to the DMM wiki, reaching the damage cap of Mammon's nuke should be easy with Dartagnan. That's 700k damage every 6 turns from the start to finish of the fight. For us, that's great. There's several other Hime who can do this kind of damage with their skills (Awakened Ares for example should be able to), but that's besides the point. The point is, that's the cap. And over the course of the year... the value of that ~116k damage per turn will diminish more and more. In addition, you're locked to Dartagnan for this - Mammon herself won't be able to apply many stacks due to not having Dartagnan's passive. This isn't an issue at first, since there really aren't really alternatives for Charles Blast Dartagnan anyway. But over time, Morgan, Hercules and Shingen get their Relic weapons and become the meta powerhouses they are today. And there we go, Dartagnan is now a burden.

And then a month after Shingen/Morgan's Relic weapons, enter SSR Baal. Suddenly, you're able to swap Mammon out of the team so that you can use another Soul. Mammon is still capable, but no longer the powerhouse she used to be due to not having Dartagnan's Snatch support.

So there. tl;dr;
1. Mammon requires Dartagnan's Snatch to be used properly
2. Mammon's proper use diminishes over time due to damage cap and overall increased damage
3. Relic weapons for non-Dartagnan Souls are extremely powerful

So, you got 2/3. I suppose that's a passing grade.
Happy now?
All it took was for somebody to finally say it out loud.

Originally Posted by blubbergott

Light in a year (or i guess 9 months onwards) looks so much fun, can't wait for it.

How much did you whale again~?
Just a reminder, when talking about perfect teams, it's not that easy. Miracle Tickets will get you a good way in a single element, at least.