Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Slashley

They're called P2W because they increase your damage output to a whole different level, and furthermore because they're not accessible. That's basically the very definition of P2W in any game.Not really... the closest one is probably Perun, due to damage cut. But with long CD and fairly low %, she's really nothing to write home about.

The newest two additions, Rhea and Tlaloc, have decent damage output for Rs, but even then they're not really going to be a match for even bad SRs.

Right now the only SR I have are Baal, Kingu, and Nemesis. I'm severely lacking in heals (though I guess I have damage mitigation and sustain to some degree) and debuffs. My SSR are Athena and Brahma, so still no debuffs. No Soul can make up for both my lack of heals and debuffs right? Lol

Originally Posted by Slashley

They're called P2W because they increase your damage output to a whole different level, and furthermore because they're not accessible. That's basically the very definition of P2W in any game.

On the other hand, 100% eidos provide most of their boost at 0* -- they're immediately useful to any player who makes a lucky draw. I'd argue the Kaiser Dragoons are more P2W than them.

Originally Posted by HugMeTender

Right now the only SR I have are Baal, Kingu, and Nemesis. I'm severely lacking in heals (though I guess I have damage mitigation and sustain to some degree) and debuffs. My SSR are Athena and Brahma, so still no debuffs. No Soul can make up for both my lack of heals and debuffs right? Lol

Thunder have no heal (wait for december), thunder has great problems with debuffs (Mammon/ soul - especialy Darty+relic gun+ambush = 30/50% from just soul). If you want heal - take Cassy/SS, it's the only option for now, or take off element heal (at least Nike) and debuff soul.

Edit: Kayser dragons are not PTW at all - they can be grindable for 10k orbs in orb store (about 2 month left).

Originally Posted by HugMeTender

Right now the only SR I have are Baal, Kingu, and Nemesis.

Nemesis and Kingu are amongst the best Thunder SRs, which sadly isn't a very high bar (Astraea and Thunder Artemis are the better ones). King certainly deserves a spot on the frontlines then,

Originally Posted by HugMeTender

I'm severely lacking in heals (though I guess I have damage mitigation and sustain to some degree) --

There are absolutely no healer Thunder Hime out now, so lacking in heals is quite expected. Limited heals coming up in August and January, a raid SR in December and finally the "I've got the best heals, anywhere!" in April next year. I guess DMM got sick and tired of the playerbase complaining about the lack of heals in Thunder, heh.

Anyway, Thunder's healer is Sol for the longest time into the future.

Originally Posted by HugMeTender

--and debuffs.-- No Soul can make up for both my lack of heals and debuffs right? Lol

Dude... have you looked at Thunder's debuff capability?

Current Def Down Hime:
SSR Tyr (A -10%, -15% Awakened)

Current Atk Down Hime:
SSR Raiko (A -15%)
SR Cyclops (C -15%)
SSR Marduk (C -20%)

... that's it. No, seriously, that's it.

The things you find yourself "lacking" in Thunder is just business as usual over there. There's a reason why Thunder is frowned upon.

So, can your Soul do your debuffs? Yes. Dartagnan equipped with Charles Blast and Ambush. While everyone else gets to play around with Hercules' and her OP Relic weapon, Thunder users are pretty much forced to stick to Charles Blast for many months to come.

Originally Posted by Kimoi

On the other hand, 100% eidos provide most of their boost at 0* -- they're immediately useful to any player who makes a lucky draw. I'd argue the Kaiser Dragoons are more P2W than them.

While true that they are powerful and a large reason why the whaliest of whales are so far above normal players in power-levels, Kaisers don't compare to P2W Eidolons. Just like P2W Eidolons, a large portion of their benefit comes at 0-stars. However, unlike P2W Eidolons, you can buy one each per element from Eidolon Orbs.

Each LMB +99 Kaiser is 5-7% DPS boost, with slightly diminishing returns upon further ones. So you need all five sub-slots at LMB Kaisers to reach the benefit of a 0-star P2W Eidolon.
Considering the extremely powerful on-use of Kaisers, yeah, sure. If you go that far, then Kaisers are more P2W than P2W Eidolons. What kind of a sum are we talking about here, though?

Originally Posted by Slashley

Dude... have you looked at Thunder's debuff capability?

Current Def Down Hime:
SSR Tyr (A -10%, -15% Awakened)

Current Atk Down Hime:
SSR Raiko (A -15%)
SR Cyclops (C -15%)
SSR Marduk (C -20%)

... that's it. No, seriously, that's it.

The things you find yourself "lacking" in Thunder is just business as usual over there. There's a reason why Thunder is frowned upon.

So, can your Soul do your debuffs? Yes. Dartagnan equipped with Charles Blast and Ambush. While everyone else gets to play around with Hercules' and her OP Relic weapon, Thunder users are pretty much forced to stick to Charles Blast for many months to come.

I meant there were no souls that come be both a decent healer AND debuffer since Thunder lacked the elemental ability to do either. I know a Soul could do either one well, just not both. I'm just stingy and don't want an off element healer.

Is it better to use R weapons with beneficial skills or to use SR and SSR weapons of a different element than my team?

Ideally you'll want to farm Disasters for SR Assault weapons and use those, you should probably try to ignore R weapons.

But if you're a new player, you might need to use R weapons in the primary slot just to get the element you want for your Soul.

Originally Posted by Slashley

So, can your Soul do your debuffs? Yes. Dartagnan equipped with Charles Blast and Ambush. While everyone else gets to play around with Hercules' and her OP Relic weapon, Thunder users are pretty much forced to stick to Charles Blast for many months to come.

By the time Herc's relic weapon is out, Mammon will be out too though. If you don't have Mammon, then Herc + Sniper is also always an option. 3 months later, Baal gives you another way more efficient option than relying on D'Art. D'Art is just nice currently because without Mammon and without Herc relic weapon, it's next to impossible to get decent debuffs. At least that's my opinion on it. I traded in D'Art gun, since it'll be helpful for WaRag farming (and i got Kirin, so ele atk ain't the biggest deal for me), but once I get better options, i'll definitely switch.

So now I pulled Huanglong.... Thus my Thunder Eidolon setup is way stronger than any other element. (considering I only have a few for other elements)

Looks like I'll start focusing on building Thunder?

I'm close to awakening Sol, but I don't have an incredible line-up to back my Light team.

Edit: To be clear, my Thunder weapons vastly outstrip other element weapons; both in limit breaks and assault percentage.

Umm, why do you put all these Thunder Eidolons into one team?
Only the Primary one will give you the passive. The rest are just stat-sticks. The remaining five should be whatever have your highest stats.