Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by HugMeTender

-- Im definitely not farming 450 weeks of shards to MLB this weapon.--

It's more like 150 weeks since every event gives you 2 Shards now. Also, if you're in a good Union, then you're going to get like 10+ extra Shards per month from UE, taking total time required down to... 7 months or so? And finally, in theory you can get a brick from Tower events, but realistically you won't until the second one (if I've understood how shit works right).

But yes, obviously the FLB stuff for Hime/Dragon Eye weapons are meant for massive whales only. The tiny trickle of "ooo free shiny is cool isn't it!!!!1" is utterly pathetic.

Originally Posted by HugMeTender

IEspecially since eyes have much better uses.

There are?

Well, Awakenings, I guess. But since our Shard income is shooting through the roof and since you won't have all the Awakened Hime anyway (if you did, Dragon Eyes wouldn't be a problem for you)... well, practically speaking Dragon Eyes are not a bottleneck anymore. Or well, soon won't be. Give it a couple of months and everyone should have all of their Awakenable Hime Awakened. They've demolished the Gem barrier with infinite Gem Quests + Gem Gacha, the SSR book barrier starting from this event (Iluyanka) and the Dragon Eye barrier with Union Events.

Originally Posted by Slashley

It's more like 150 weeks since every event gives you 2 Shards now. Also, if you're in a good Union, then you're going to get like 10+ extra Shards per month from UE, taking total time required down to... 7 months or so? And finally, in theory you can get a brick from Tower events, but realistically you won't until the second one (if I've understood how shit works right).

But yes, obviously the FLB stuff for Hime/Dragon Eye weapons are meant for massive whales only. The tiny trickle of "ooo free shiny is cool isn't it!!!!1" is utterly pathetic.There are?

Well, Awakenings, I guess. But since our Shard income is shooting through the roof and since you won't have all the Awakened Hime anyway (if you did, Dragon Eyes wouldn't be a problem for you)... well, practically speaking Dragon Eyes are not a bottleneck anymore. Or well, soon won't be. Give it a couple of months and everyone should have all of their Awakenable Hime Awakened. They've demolished the Gem barrier with infinite Gem Quests + Gem Gacha, the SSR book barrier starting from this event (Iluyanka) and the Dragon Eye barrier with Union Events.

Awakening was one, but the guaranteed SSR ticket seems like a better investment. Breaking Eidolon is great and getting new Hime/Eye+break seems like a much better use of eyes to me.

Or is there only one available ever?

Originally Posted by HugMeTender

Awakening was one, but the guaranteed SSR ticket seems like a better investment. Breaking Eidolon is great and getting new Hime/Eye+break seems like a much better use of eyes to me.

Or is there only one available ever?

Note, guaranteed SSR ticket DOES NOT guarantee a hime release weapon. Add on the fact that if it's a random eye weapon, it 1. will not necessarily fit your element and 2. will not necessarily give you a dupe to LB, you're really playing with your luck with that one.

Originally Posted by HugMeTender

Awakening was one, but the guaranteed SSR ticket seems like a better investment. Breaking Eidolon is great and getting new Hime/Eye+break seems like a much better use of eyes to me.

Or is there only one available ever?

All the Dragon Eye stuff should refresh daily, I think.

Aside from that, I am very confused by your post, though...
"Breaking Eidolon is great"? What? Gacha SSR Eidolons are complete garbage, aside from P2W ones (which you will not realistically pull) and Kaisers. So any investment in this direction seems... terrible.
"guaranteed SSR ticket seems like a better investment"? 50/50 for complete garbage or a random SSR Hime doesn't seem very appealing either. And this is assuming that they removed non-Hime SSR weapons from this one.

There's also the 5 Dragon Eye random non-Hime weapon, which is a gamble as it can give you utter trash like this shit (Defender/dbl, with a quick glance there was 4/16 chance of garbage), or as Cobble pointed out, you might get something for an element that you don't care about.

So... after Awakening, what is the best way to use your extra Dragon Eyes, which you will eventually start getting now? Not sure, honestly. But I doubt it's the Tickets or the limit break materials, which just leaves the weapons.

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

Note, guaranteed SSR ticket DOES NOT guarantee a hime release weapon. Add on the fact that if it's a random eye weapon, it 1. will not necessarily fit your element and 2. will not necessarily give you a dupe to LB, you're really playing with your luck with that one.

I know. But my point was that you can make use of basically anything you get from it. Even if it's an element that you're not good with, you can then start building that element. I mean, the ultimate goal is to have everything, right?

If you pull a new Eidolon, it's most likely useful.
If you pull a repeat Eidolon, you can break it.
If you pull a repeat Hime, you get an eye AND break the weapon.
If you get a new Hime, it'll help no matter what (it just depends on how helpful it will be at the time).

I guess there's the chance of someone pulling a MLB copy, but that's ultra bad luck.

Originally Posted by Slashley

All the Dragon Eye stuff should refresh daily, I think.

Aside from that, I am very confused by your post, though...
"Breaking Eidolon is great"? What? Gacha SSR Eidolons are complete garbage, aside from P2W ones (which you will not realistically pull) and Kaisers. So any investment in this direction seems... terrible.
"guaranteed SSR ticket seems like a better investment"? 50/50 for complete garbage or a random SSR Hime doesn't seem very appealing either. And this is assuming that they removed non-Hime SSR weapons from this one.

There's also the 5 Dragon Eye random non-Hime weapon, which is a gamble as it can give you utter trash like this shit (Defender/dbl, with a quick glance there was 4/16 chance of garbage), or as Cobble pointed out, you might get something for an element that you don't care about.

So... after Awakening, what is the best way to use your extra Dragon Eyes, which you will eventually start getting now? Not sure, honestly. But I doubt it's the Tickets or the limit break materials, which just leaves the weapons.

I mean, I guess.. Though to me it feels like Hime (for a player like me who doesn't have a lot yet) are slightly more important than weapons with Eidolon being at the bottom, and only one of the tickets in question gives Hime.

Also, with a 1/6 chance of even landing in the element you want, you can still not get the weapon you want even after several pulls.

Even if you had flawless luck, it'd take 360 eyes to MLB every weapon. Without flawless luck, every new MLB you get increases the chances of getting a repeat of said weapon that you MAY or MAY NOT use.

My point is not that one has explicit value over the other, I can just see more silver lining out of the ticket that has even a small chance of a new Hime.

Other than weapons and tickets, we technically have the trails, but lol yeah right.

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

That seems to counter conventional wisdom as far as I'm aware.

Event SSR weapons are in a sense, renewable. At least, the advent and the union ones. Raid ones are obtainable by orichalcum, but they don't even have 4LB so their worth is debatable. Then, we add the fact that they generally have lower stats than gacha/ dragon eye weapons. Why would one spend bricks on those?

... Unless I'm misinterpreting (I'm particularly bad with pronouns lol), as I believe I did Slashley's.

Yes you are misinterpreting it. I'm saying to spend it only on SSR weapons not from events.

I would not use it on a himeless SSR weapon unless you spend a lot on this game because eyes. While increasing in ways to obtain, they are still a slow to get resource. I've played from launch and I only have gotten a total of 18 completed eyes, some from duplicate SSR draws and currently at 9 because of Sol, Hades and Thor awakening with 2 more to come within the few next months (Satan and Uriel). Unless you can max break limit the SSR himeless weapon with the item, you're better off saving the item and your eyes.

Originally Posted by HugMeTender

Other than weapons and tickets, we technically have the trails, but lol yeah right.

If you have a 100% eidolon, saving for the eidolon break limit item is also an option, because you have less chance of ever drawing another copy of that while you still have a chance of drawing duplicate copies of gacha SSR weapons, at least hime ones.

the way i see that big package, it's 21 pulls (one forced to be SSR and you can save the magic jewels) and two break limit items (that normally cost 40 drag eyes together which is FAR more expensive) for 9800 coins... that's honestly not bad, especially considering that hey, you get another batch of magic jewels adding that much....


it's expensive, so not everyone will go for it, but I think it's worth getting for that price and what you get out of it.

and honestly, unless you're like me and have one or two gacha SSR eidolons at MLB status, you aren't get a dud anyway. worst case would be another drag eye in that situation, and those do take a while to make despite events practically handing out 2 each one. for a free player, that's practically 3 a week outside advent events where they can get more (either 3 or 6) and maybe the union fights if they rank high, which means it is a 10 week maximum to awaken a kamihime for the diligent player considering they don't pull more drag eyes

far as i know, i only have gotten about 20-25 drag eyes (with 6 awakened kami) and i've been playing since prelauch (due to that eidolon gacha thing they had). 25 drag eyes in about a year? that's a long time considering that i'm practically a whale...

as for the 3k one, it's to a much lesser extent but still, expensive as fuck item is in the bag... again, 20 drag eyes IS. NOT. CHEAP. and they pretty much give you one for far less than what you'd likely spend for that. assuming the drag eye pull rate is 1.5% (which is the most it'll ever be if you got every SSR Kami weapon), that's pretty much 1 out of every 67 pulls you'll net a drag eye... i would not want to be the poor soul adding money just for the sake of mass pulling drag eyes...

Originally Posted by Aidoru

If you have a 100% eidolon, saving for the eidolon break limit item is also an option, because you have less chance of ever drawing another copy of that while you still have a chance of drawing duplicate copies of gacha SSR weapons, at least hime ones.

not just them really, cause the rate of the dragoons doesn't seem too great either...


plus people forget that eidolons like echinda hit 60%. it's around half of what the 100% ones get sure... but that's TWO TEAMS you cover with one... and ones like Behemoth cover THREE. I wouldn't make them break limit priority with those items, but they really shouldn't be counted as "a waste of a pull"

Originally Posted by MagicSpice

the way i see that big package, it's 21 pulls (one forced to be SSR and you can save the magic jewels) and two break limit items (that normally cost 40 drag eyes together which is FAR more expensive) for 9800 coins... that's honestly not bad, especially considering that hey, you get another batch of magic jewels adding that much....


it's expensive, so not everyone will go for it, but I think it's worth getting for that price and what you get out of it.--

... let's break that package down before you sucker anyone into buying it.

What you get:
- 60 bucks of "value" in pulls (10 non-rate up, 10 rate up), but these pulls are a complete scam so might as well value them at 0.
- SSR Eidolon limit break which is complete garbage without P2W Eidolons, so only applies to people who have P2W Eidolons (or Kaisers).
- SSR guaranteed ticket which has a 50% chance of giving you complete trash, so ~25 bucks of value going by 50 bucks for guaranteed SSR Hime.
- The SSR weapon limit break material can be really good, I guess.

So we're talking 25-85 bucks of value, depending on how you rate the pulls. If you're not a person who has more money than common sense, then you're not going to value those random pulls. So you're then paying 73 dollars for the weapon Limit Break item. Even if you have a P2W Eidolon (or a Kaiser) for double the value, the 30 bucks just for the weapon Limit Break item is a much better deal, but even then, it's just ONE Limit Break to ONE weapon in ONE element. Sure, reaching a FLB Hime/non-Hime SSR weapon is a fairly big deal, but don't get your hopes up all too much.

Originally Posted by MagicSpice

-- plus people forget that eidolons like echinda hit 60%. it's around half of what the 100% ones get sure... --

Okay, for one, nobody is getting a LMB Echidna without spending thousands and thousands of dollars into the game. And for those people, buying this package is a no-brainer since they'd spend it on the game anyway.

Secondly, 45% elemental is baseline. So Echidna isn't "oooh half of 100% ones!!11", it's "15% compared to 55% gain" over baseline. It's not half, it's not even ONE THIRD of a P2W Eidolon. It's a bit over one-fourth.

Thirdly, you need at least two-star Echidna before she's even worth using over baseline, so exclusive only to those who spend thousands upon thousands of dollars on the game. As such, your point again only applies to people who have more money than common sense.