Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

except you still need eidolons of matching element later on.... like idk... the light one that's about to get released? This eventually applies to the dark one, which echidna matches on element (and the azathoth i'm sitting on).


otherwise your "100% eidolon" boost only caps at 80%, regardless of break limit. so i don't see a waste in the SSR ticket... and DMM side does have 120% ones for wind and thunder but... same concept when they hit way later down the line...


the break limit items are debatable, but like i said, i'm not throwing 20 drag eyes at one anytime soon, which is far more expensive than the 73 bucks you said they're worth...

plus i said it's 21 pulls cause you are getting 3k magic jewels.... so, that makes it pretty much 60 bucks worth of pulls... the extra stuff is really 38 bucks

but that just makes the other one more worthwhile when looking at it since it's 11 pulls and some extra stuff for 30 bucks... which is normally a 10 pull price


it's not as "space-whaley" as you claim it to be.... but it isn't cheap either so it's still whale territory easily

Originally Posted by MagicSpice

except you still need eidolons of matching element later on.... like idk... the light one that's about to get released? This eventually applies to the dark one, which echidna matches on element (and the azathoth i'm sitting on).


otherwise your "100% eidolon" boost only caps at 80%, regardless of break limit. so i don't see a waste in the SSR ticket... and DMM side does have 120% ones for wind and thunder but... same concept when they hit way later down the line...


the break limit items are debatable, but like i said, i'm not throwing 20 drag eyes at one anytime soon, which is far more expensive than the 73 bucks you said they're worth...

plus i said it's 21 pulls cause you are getting 3k magic jewels.... so, that makes it pretty much 60 bucks worth of pulls... the extra stuff is really 38 bucks

but that just makes the other one more worthwhile when looking at it since it's 11 pulls and some extra stuff for 30 bucks... which is normally a 10 pull price


it's not as "space-whaley" as you claim it to be.... but it isn't cheap either so it's still whale territory easily

I'm gonna address the immediate things first.

Light gacha eidolons are usually not worth it. The only ones you'd want are light Kaiser, and the 100%. The point of spending more SSR tickets on light eidolons is moot, simply because 1. Events are a thing, 2. Stats and LB are a thing, 3. You aren't even guaranteed to get that element and 4. the only light and dark 100%s have that mechanic, all the other elements have a constant 100% to rely on.

Next, the brick. Here's the gap in logic: why not... just leave it alone? The game certainly doesn't require you to spam bricks on your weapon, and while yes, they are super tasty for non event SSR weapons... they aren't necessary to the cash conserver. There's a clear reason why bricks are associated with whales, no matter the source it's fucking expensive.

Your pull mathematics is another thing. Always apply Murphy's Law in RNG. A random draw, is as good as no draw. This is the reality that cash conservative players work with.

And then there's your mindset. The issue I see, is that you have the money, and you're willing to spend it. And you're not playing a patience game. These 3 things combo into one thing very well: higher probability of spending... which is fine! However, you need to be aware, your definition of good value is drastically different from the cash conservatives. We value consistency with our money, which is why we only ever recommend the guaranteed stuff: miracle tickets. Everything else is a risk. And a risk is not worth taking as a poor consumer.

So let's make this clear. It's an awesome offer.. for whales.
People who buy only mtix & maybe SSR KH guaranteed might not want to bother with it. It's not that "You can't miss this offer, you will regret later if you do" type of offer, but it's pretty good.. and yeah, it's also pretty expensive. No need to force yourself to buy it.

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

I'm gonna address the immediate things first.

Light gacha eidolons are usually not worth it. The only ones you'd want are light Kaiser, and the 100%. The point of spending more SSR tickets on light eidolons is moot, simply because 1. Events are a thing, 2. Stats and LB are a thing, 3. You aren't even guaranteed to get that element and 4. the only light and dark 100%s have that mechanic, all the other elements have a constant 100% to rely on.

Next, the brick. Here's the gap in logic: why not... just leave it alone? The game certainly doesn't require you to spam bricks on your weapon, and while yes, they are super tasty for non event SSR weapons... they aren't necessary to the cash conserver. There's a clear reason why bricks are associated with whales, no matter the source it's fucking expensive.

Your pull mathematics is another thing. Always apply Murphy's Law in RNG. A random draw, is as good as no draw. This is the reality that cash conservative players work with.

And then there's your mindset. The issue I see, is that you have the money, and you're willing to spend it. And you're not playing a patience game. These 3 things combo into one thing very well: higher probability of spending... which is fine! However, you need to be aware, your definition of good value is drastically different from the cash conservatives. We value consistency with our money, which is why we only ever recommend the guaranteed stuff: miracle tickets. Everything else is a risk. And a risk is not worth taking as a poor consumer.

1) Events are a thing, with random cycled elements meaning it could be a while before the one you need comes up.

2) I said it's worth getting for the value... i never once said you have to get it. what i'm saying is that there isn't much downside to getting it if you do, but i also said it's expensive and said a few times that the average player likely won't get it

3) yes.... RNG is a thing... even with SSR Kami guaranteed gacha... we all know this... hell, i've gotten 5 kami weapons to lv100 now so imagine the other kami i probably could have pulled with those 10 drag eyes...

4) i'm not the type to blindly throw money the game, otherwise i'd do it every single time i see a strong kami appeared... this is purely assumption about me so remove that from your logic. i do try to encourage players to go for the SSR guaranteed if anything when throwing money at the game, which by the way, ups the chance of getting said 100% or kaiser eidolons


granted, this is a difference of opinion. but just to be sure i clarified my point, yes it is worth the value, but no, it's not something you have to go after. even when it comes to tossing magic jewels or tickets at a specific time in the game, you still are taking a risk and it's up to the player themselves if they believe it's worth the risk, therefore it is never a necessity, even when it comes to the best gacha in the game which is the miracle ticket gacha. there are a few people that can not, or refused to get even that gacha


also, light and dark 100% aren't the only ones that have that mechanic (some event ones do so as well), but these two definitely say hi way later down the line (which only helps the options for getting the gamebreaking eidolons for wind/thunder):

Originally Posted by MagicSpice

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It is indeed assumptuous on my part, my apologies.

I do find issue with the value of the pack however. 98 bucks is nothing to sneeze at after all. Slashley has already broken down and said most of what I want to say regarding the values, so I’ll refrain. End of the day, it’s about perceived value, and I won’t attempt to change that.

Also, I believe you misinterpreted the last part. What I was trying to say was that while they aren’t the only elements with the eidolon stack mechanics, they are the only elements whose strongest eidolons have no other option than to play with that limitation. The other elements have their respective 100% eidolons, and then you have the 2 extra ones on top of that.

Hindsight being 20/20, and the fact I pulled complete trash from the gacha..

I'd hoped to get a better outcome, but realize it is up to the RNG Gods if I get anything worthwhile in that draw.
I personally don't regret spending a little (with conversion it's more than a little, to be honest), if it helps to keep the servers running.

I'm going to hang on the the Chaldea and Argentum for now, until I'm sure of where they'll best be used.

Originally Posted by Ginger D Arc

Hindsight being 20/20, and the fact I pulled complete trash from the gacha..

I'd hoped to get a better outcome, but realize it is up to the RNG Gods if I get anything worthwhile in that draw.
I personally don't regret spending a little (with conversion it's more than a little, to be honest), if it helps to keep the servers running.

I'm going to hang on the the Chaldea and Argentum for now, until I'm sure of where they'll best be used.

Chaldea is only really useful for Kaiser Dragoons and 100% eidolons.

On the lucky side of things, Kaiser Dragoons are made buyable with the raid eidolon store... expected to be implemented a month later?

As for the Argentum (we prefer calling those bricks), the best value you get out of them is from breaking dragon eye weapons. Where that fails, the next best option is a non-event SSR weapon of 1. your element and 2. a good 4LB boost. The link below lists all the current SSR weapons that exist within the DMM game now, so just take a look and see if you possess any weapons with a particularly tasty future 4LB. I hope you're fluent with google translate.

http://xn--hckqz0e9cygq471ahu9b.xn--...83%9D%E3%83%B3

So far as Eidolons, I currently possess Rudra, Aqua SSR Dragoon (at level 40) & Evil SSR Dragoon (at level 85).

I will look at the link you provided! Thank you very much!

I've got 3 SSR of different elements: Aphrodite, Raphael and Brahma. My original plan was to go all water, since I got a lot of water SR, but now I don't know. Should I stick with 1 element, or should I play all my SSR?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I've got 3 SSR of different elements: Aphrodite, Raphael and Brahma. My original plan was to go all water, since I got a lot of water SR, but now I don't know. Should I stick with 1 element, or should I play all my SSR?

You'll want to stick with 1 element of Kami. Don't Rainbow your Kami team unless the skills that the off element Kami bring are worth it. The part that really makes a team strong is the weapons grid.