Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by asianstuff

-- should be Notus and Eurus.

At least up until May, no. So not for the next 10 months at least in the English version.

There's just so many mythos to pull from, I guess they just weren't popular enough and DMM just forgot about them.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Today I tried to start a prison of ice catastrophe raid. -- When it said who to request help from, I chose "all" do everyone on the server should have seen it, right? --

We don't know how the raid system works these days, but for certain, it doesn't work like that. It used to send out to everyone who was:
1. logged in when you sent it
2. was +- 20 Ranks from you
3. didn't already have 10 raid requests up

But that's changed, and I've seen requests from wayyy lower ranks than -20 from me. But it doesn't happen often... so, it's a mystery how it works. Oh, the same thing applies to friends, except that change #2 to "is on your friendlist"

Originally Posted by Unregistered

What can I do to make sure I get some help next time?

Well, remember to keep sending the help requests every 10 minutes. Even if nobody public gets to see your request, a friend might've logged in and might be inclined to help you.

But, most importantly... be in a competent Union. You can't re-request a Union help, but that's because you don't need to! Once requested, even offline Union members can join your raid once they login. That is by the far the most important aspect, even more so if you communicate with your Union members somehow... which today tends to mean Discord.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I got Aphrodite for my 1st SSR a few weeks back, so I have been running a water team with her, other water kami SR with 3LB,4LB lvl 80 illu as my main eido, and 2 SR water eido, and 3 rare water Eido. Then yesterday I managed to pull Fafnir and Dakku from the MJ gatcha. I'm thinking, since Fafnir can buff fire and water, I shoud use her for my main eido, then I won't have to use an all water eido team. Also, since she buffs two elements, I can put Dakku on my water team.

Any reason why I shouldn't do that?

When you're still new, go ahead. But as you power up, Dakki won't do any damage herself because your weapons won't power her up. Use Water Assault weapons for your Water team. Or off-element SSRs when you're still new.

But don't use SR and R Water Eidolons. Only the MAIN and FRIEND Eidolons matter, so the rest are just for stats. Since even 0-star SSRs have so much more stats, use whatever ones you got from events in the five sub-slots.
EDIT: Oh right, Iluyanka requires you to use Water Eidolons for the boost. Hummm. I guess you don't have better, so you'll just have to suffer through some really pitiful base stats from Eidolons for a while...

I'm sure this has been asked/posted somewhere - did a quick search and didn't see anything - but can someone explain exactly what procs what defense buff and exactly how they were for the ice catastrophe raid? The number of times I've used an Eidolon which does normal damage, then use a full burst and do 2k each instead of normal 100-200k burst damage. I know she has defense buffs, but I don't understand where they all come from because half the time I use burst she's stunned, which means it's not from her burst attack. Additionally, I often see my entire front line do 0 damage but my back line do full damage which makes zero sense. Her defense mitigation just seems completely random and as a result I can't determine when I should burst or wait.

The plain ol' defense buff that just reduces damage comes from her normal overdrive.

The giant damage cut shield that wastes 5 attacks comes from the first of her two special triggers. If you see her raging (or you yourself knock her into raging), then the first action she takes is that hit all attack that lowers your water resist and procs her shield.
Someone who has already connected to the fight, was around to see her enter raging mode, and then takes a turn? That shield gets procced.
Someone connects to the fight while she is in raging mode and then takes a turn? That shield gets procced.

She has 2 defensive buffs. The first one is from her regular overdrive, it's just a defense buff, a strong one. The second is from her entering rage. Every time she enters rage, on her first turn in rage, she will use a party-wide attack that inflicts water res down and buffs herself with a defense icon buff that negates all regular and skill damage 5 times. Eidolon damage still goes through and a tiny bit of burst damage.

When other people are in, they will also trigger this when she hits rage, meaning it will occur multiple times for every person who decides to attacks.

If you're soloing (or if timed quickly enough with others in it), you can skip this if you push her into rage using a skill and then into stun without giving her a turn like say with a full burst or Thor's paralysis. If you're using say someone like Sol, you can also dispel it.

Originally Posted by Aidoru

If you're soloing (or if timed quickly enough with others in it), you can skip this if you push her into rage using a skill and then into stun without giving her a turn like say with a full burst or Thor's paralysis. If you're using say someone like Sol, you can also dispel it.

Hmm? Skip what? At least not the 100% damage cut shield, since even if you knock her out of Rage, the next time she gets a turn she will still do it...

Originally Posted by Aidoru

If you're soloing (or if timed quickly enough with others in it), you can skip this if you push her into rage using a skill and then into stun without giving her a turn like say with a full burst or Thor's paralysis. If you're using say someone like Sol, you can also dispel it.

This is actually slightly off as just not too long ago we tested it out ourselves on DMM (For science!)

1. I started the raid, dps and stopped right before she rages, and abi her into rage (and proceeded to take out half the bar using abi only).
2. My union mates #1 and #2 joined.
3. #2 did a single nuke, then #1 finished off the rest of the rage bar with abi only.
4. I attacked. The Rage Trigger proc'd. So your theory (and mine too) is NG.
5. Next step, #1 attacked. Rage Trigger proc'd. Joining and then stunning with abi before moving is also NG.
6. Last step, #2 attacked. Rage Trigger did not proc.

Basing on this test run, it would seem that if you are not the one responsible for pushing the boss into mode change, it will not trigger the attack. ...At least this is what we thought. Later that day, Shade (or was it Blubbergott?) tested out our theory too. He repeated Union Mate #2's step, but the Rage Trigger proc'd. We raised the white flag from there. The only REAL way to skip it, is to force her to skip her turn using para or charm.

In the end, I think it's best that, whenever you see the boss in rage mode and not immobilized, just assume the worst and brace yourself for the Rage Trigger. OR, Just bring dispel.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Hmm? Skip what? At least not the 100% damage cut shield, since even if you knock her out of Rage, the next time she gets a turn she will still do it...

Does she? I'll have to double check next time I solo. I normally just have her use it since Sol basically solves everything for this fight for me.

Oh wait, you mean using an ability to trigger to Rage, then finishing off ALL of Rage without a single auto-attack? That's... rather specific. I... don't know what happens with that. I'd assume that it'd still trigger on the next turn, but that sounds like a situation that could bug.

I have just noticed that quite a few randoms have realized that it happens as the "first action of Rage", and such, hold back from attacking until after Rage. And then the fuckers Trigger the shield when you're not expecting it since Rage ended ages ago and you waste a full fucking burst.

Originally Posted by Bear

This is actually slightly off as just not too long ago we tested it out ourselves on DMM (For science!)

1. I started the raid, dps and stopped right before she rages, and abi her into rage (and proceeded to take out half the bar using abi only).
2. My union mates #1 and #2 joined.
3. #2 did a single nuke, then #1 finished off the rest of the rage bar with abi only.
4. I attacked. The Rage Trigger proc'd. So your theory (and mine too) is NG.
5. Next step, #1 attacked. Rage Trigger proc'd. Joining and then stunning with abi before moving is also NG.
6. Last step, #2 attacked. Rage Trigger did not proc.

Basing on this test run, it would seem that if you are not the one responsible for pushing the boss into mode change, it will not trigger the attack. ...At least this is what we thought. Later that day, Shade (or was it Blubbergott?) tested out our theory too. He repeated Union Mate #2's step, but the Rage Trigger proc'd. We raised the white flag from there. The only REAL way to skip it, is to force her to skip her turn using para or charm.

In the end, I think it's best that, whenever you see the boss in rage mode and not immobilized, just assume the worst and brace yourself for the Rage Trigger. OR, Just bring dispel.

So simply getting her into rage will trigger her to activate the damage negating skill at the end of your turn regardless of how many phases have passed via yourself or other players? I see, that's good to know. So if someone chose to wait from their first turn of it in rage all the way until others pushed it back into regular phase, it would still activate and probably screw someone up.

Originally Posted by Aidoru

So simply getting her into rage will trigger her to activate the damage negating skill at the end of your turn regardless of how many phases have passed via yourself or other players? I see, that's good to know. So if someone chose to wait from their first turn of it in rage all the way until others pushed it back into regular phase, it would still activate and probably screw someone up.

That update that shifts the visible buffs forward probably will help a ton in raids like these.

That, or everyone who's capable enough opts for soloing water rag.