Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Quarters

A week or three ago, I bought the Guaranteed SSR Eidolon 10 roll Gacha and was rewarded with Fafnir. That was cool, as up until then, I only had Amaterasu. Sunday night, I bought the new one that was on sale and was rewarded with Ifrit. I'm now curious about which one should be my primary for my Fire team? Ifrit is ever so slightly stronger overall with the better Eidolon effect, while Fafnir has the better summon effect and is more flexible as she can boost water teams as well.--

Neither. Gacha SSR Eidolons are a scam. Only Kaisers (NOT as main) and P2W 100% Eidolons are used. Others can become usable at 2-stars, but how likely is it that you'll get any of them to 2-stars even if you bought every single SSR Eidolon guaranteed gacha for the next year or two?

I'm sorry that you got scammed out of your money.

That said, if you didn't grab Adramelech from the raid just now, then Character attack Ifrit is better when you're a new player (Grid below... 60% ish?) and Elemental attack Fafnir is better once you get your Grid going. Either way, Adramelech is far better until you get Fafnir to 2-stars. I doubt that Ifrit can contest until LMB, if even then.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Is going full retard on Rage cuts a good idea? Probably not. But I am amused. Also, it should be noted just how fucking broken Belphegor is. I pulled Asherat today, so I have ALL Water SSR Hime except the healers (SSR Nike and Aphrodite). And Ea. But nobody cares about Ea. Yet? SR Belphegor is in my party, and isn't going anywhere.

I honestly keep going back and forth with swapping belphy in for an SSR in my comp (or kikuri-hime for more burst gauge + def boost), but so far swapping to healer soul (from shingen) has absolved any potential problems I would run into.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Neither. Gacha SSR Eidolons are a scam. Only Kaisers (NOT as main) and P2W 100% Eidolons are used. Others can become usable at 2-stars, but how likely is it that you'll get any of them to 2-stars even if you bought every single SSR Eidolon guaranteed gacha for the next year or two?

I'm sorry that you got scammed out of your money.

That said, if you didn't grab Adramelech from the raid just now, then Character attack Ifrit is better when you're a new player (Grid below... 60% ish?) and Elemental attack Fafnir is better once you get your Grid going. Either way, Adramelech is far better until you get Fafnir to 2-stars. I doubt that Ifrit can contest until LMB, if even then.

Not everybody is lucky enough to get the 100% eidolons or the kaisers, so we make do with what we do get. I do have full broke Adramalech, but she's not leveled enough to do anything yet. I was under the impression that gacha eidolons were far stronger than event eidolons, hence why I was asking. as for lb2 eidolons...My Hecatonchires is lb2 (5th most powerful eidolon I have, beaten only by lv100 event eidos) and my brother's is lb1. Lucky duck actually broke his light kaiser yesterday...

Anyhoo, not scammed if I got good pulls. I see it like a booster box of yugioh, not every pack is great, but you get good stuff anyway.

Originally Posted by Quarters

Not everybody is lucky enough to get the 100% eidolons or the kaisers, --

... yes. That was the point. Gacha SSR Eidolons are only good for people who have spent some 10k+ bucks into this game, as a consolation prize for not getting a P2W Eidolon of that element.

Originally Posted by Quarters

I do have full broke Adramalech, but she's not leveled enough to do anything yet.

That's just a matter of a couple of days of Gem Gacha, so what's the big deal? LMB Adra will stomp all over both Ifrit and Fafnir at 0-stars.

Originally Posted by Quarters

I was under the impression that gacha eidolons were far stronger than event eidolons, hence why I was asking.

They are stronger, but again, only if you've spent 10k+ bucks on the game. And not "far stronger" unless you get a P2W Eidolon or a Kaiser.

Originally Posted by Quarters

as for lb2 eidolons...My Hecatonchires is lb2--

Hecaton is Character attack, so that's unfortunate. Still, it's the only Light HP one until x-mas, so it's not entirely useless (just almost useless). Be sure to run either Barong or Nicholas for Envy though, since the value of Character attack AND HP is hugely played down in Union events.

Originally Posted by Quarters

Anyhoo, not scammed if I got good pulls. I see it like a booster box of yugioh, not every pack is great, but you get good stuff anyway.

Sooooo... you paid 30-50 bucks, you got absolutely nothing of value (since event Eidolons are by far stronger at low Limit Breaks), and you were NOT scammed?

Alright. Sounds fair enough.

what is the difference between character attack and elemental attack?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

what is the difference between character attack and elemental attack?

The oversimplified damage formula is CharacterAttack*ElementalAttack.

The part which makes Character attack far weaker is that Assault from your weapon Grid is the same thing. So once you upgrade your Grid, Elemental becomes really good when compared to Character. So ideally, upgrade your Grid and use Elemental Eidolons.

The exception to that is, if you have Elemental advantage, you can use one Elemental attack and one Character+HP Eidolon. You'll do slightly less damage, but the 20% HP can be better depending on how much you need to survive. But again, only use this when you NEED the HP AND have Elemental advantage.

Originally Posted by Slashley

The oversimplified damage formula is CharacterAttack*ElementalAttack.

The part which makes Character attack far weaker is that Assault from your weapon Grid is the same thing. So once you upgrade your Grid, Elemental becomes really good when compared to Character. So ideally, upgrade your Grid and use Elemental Eidolons.

The exception to that is, if you have Elemental advantage, you can use one Elemental attack and one Character+HP Eidolon. You'll do slightly less damage, but the 20% HP can be better depending on how much you need to survive. But again, only use this when you NEED the HP AND have Elemental advantage.

Thanks a lot for clearing that up for me. One more question how does the heal power work? i have atum at level 80 and she only heals ~1200 but on the wiki it says she has a 2000hp heal

Originally Posted by Bedevil

Thanks a lot for clearing that up for me. One more question how does the heal power work? i have atum at level 80 and she only heals ~1200 but on the wiki it says she has a 2000hp heal

All heals are based on the maximum HP of characters - the listed number for the heal (like 2000 in this case) is the heal's CAP. Usually, all heals easily hit the cap amount. But, for new players who don't yet have 6x LMB SSR Eidolons equipped, they might not have enough max HP to get the full heals.

So I assume you're fairly new to the game? As you get stronger, that heal will get stronger and stronger until it hits 2000.

I'm rank 60 and these are my eidolons

Well, you have two LMB SSR Eidolons, so your HP pool is still fairly low. Once you have six, then you should easily be able to heal for the cap regardless of Hime.