Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Son of a bitch. I figured I'd blow $30 and attempt the Ryu-Oh and instead of her, I get Tyr. The rainbow gate got me so pumped lol. Now I'm awkwardly depressed.

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How often do AP and BP region? Is it 3 min for AP and 20 for BP?

Also, does the +1 AP at rank-up go on forever, or is it capped after a certain rank?

Yes, 3 minutes for AP, 20 minutes for BP. The timer resets when doing an action that is listed to cost that resource (even if the cost is zero).
So for AP, the timer resets when you start a quest (I think when the loading starts) or a harem episode. For BP, I think it's when you start loading into a raid. But I'm not 100% sure when it comes to a situation where you spend a half-elixir or seeds and then back out.

The +1 AP at rank up continues until rank 60 (at which point you should have 80 AP). Then it becomes +1 AP for every two ranks up until rank 104 (at which point you should have 102 AP). Then the rate slows down again, but I'm not sure on the exact rate just yet. I'm at rank 111 with 104 AP.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Yes, 3 minutes for AP, 20 minutes for BP. The timer resets when doing an action that is listed to cost that resource (even if the cost is zero).
So for AP, the timer resets when you start a quest (I think when the loading starts) or a harem episode. For BP, I think it's when you start loading into a raid. But I'm not 100% sure when it comes to a situation where you spend a half-elixir or seeds and then back out.

Using Seeds or HEs does the same as spending that resource. That is, if you're at 0 BP and you have 10 minutes until your next BP tick, if you spend 4 Seeds then it'll be 20 minutes until your next BP tick.

The system sucks ass, to be honest.

Now that the soul weapons for Morgan and Shingen are out, was wondering which I should invest in picking up for my water party - Herc or Shingen. Current comp is:
Shingen, Sarasvati, Aphrodite, Asherah, and Ryu-Oh

I love using Shingen, but a large part of that is she's equipped with Storm Bow Alvand which gives me def down on burst, and I almost never have problems getting a full burst off after using provisional forest. The fact that Herc's axe gives def down on burst makes it super appealing, but I also don't know what Shingen's burst skill is. From what I remember reading the buff to provisional forest goes from 300-500%, but I don't know how that compares to the elemental attack buff from Herc's weapon or the loss(?) or the extra def down. For reference I'm currently at ~44k attack (3 atk++, 1 pride weapon, 5 atk+, 2 hp+, and 1 hp++).

Originally Posted by Saeleyna

Now that the soul weapons for Morgan and Shingen are out, was wondering which I should invest in picking up for my water party - Herc or Shingen. Current comp is:
Shingen, Sarasvati, Aphrodite, Asherah, and Ryu-Oh

I love using Shingen, but a large part of that is she's equipped with Storm Bow Alvand which gives me def down on burst, and I almost never have problems getting a full burst off after using provisional forest. The fact that Herc's axe gives def down on burst makes it super appealing, but I also don't know what Shingen's burst skill is. From what I remember reading the buff to provisional forest goes from 300-500%, but I don't know how that compares to the elemental attack buff from Herc's weapon or the loss(?) or the extra def down. For reference I'm currently at ~44k attack (3 atk++, 1 pride weapon, 5 atk+, 2 hp+, and 1 hp++).

As a fellow water main, my general advice is to go Herc instead of Shingen, because Shingen’s burst gen is something only wind can keep up with for now, and you’re much better off with the all rounder skill set of Hercules. Some people might still opt for Shingen, however, with builds around Saraswati and Asherah, but my take is that it’s not really worth the clicking effort.

Specifically to your case, you don’t have the def break cap achieved, so it’s even more imperative you run Hercules to cover that def break you don’t have to band aid the fact that water just doesn’t do damage for shit. Shingen’s burst effect is to gain more burst, btw, so effectively she refreshes burst sooner than every other soul save Arthur.

With Asherah and Exceed skill the benefit of Provisional Forest is reduced (you can stack to +180% or more Burst modifier regularly). Couple this with a composition that can only reach -20-40% DEF without eidolons, and Hercules becomes a bit more attractive. With Shingen you'd need to keep the event weapon or run Vine, both of which are forbidden.

Originally Posted by Saeleyna

-- but I also don't know what Shingen's burst skill is.

+30 burst to self after Burst. So kinda like bursting costs her only 70 burst.

Originally Posted by Saeleyna

From what I remember reading the buff to provisional forest goes from 300-500%,--

That's Shingen's HP weapon. You want her elemental attack weapon, which allows her to use PF without outside help. Well, I guess you have have Sarasvati and Asherah for outside help, but still, the elemental attack is just too good to give up.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

With Asherah and Exceed skill the benefit of Provisional Forest is reduced (you can stack to +180% or more Burst modifier regularly).--

Hmm? Explain? Now that Shingen's weapon is out, burst modifier should be capped at a whopping 500%. Even with PF (200%), some Exceeds and some Asherah stacks, there's still plenty of room before the cap.

I don't think anyone has tested that yet, though. I'm sure it'll be done once Gluttony hits, since it's easy to test there.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Now that Shingen's weapon is out, burst modifier should be capped at a whopping 500%. Even with PF (200%), some Exceeds and some Asherah stacks, there's still plenty of room before the cap.

As I understand, the Burst modifier cap is +300%, which is expanded to +500% only when Shingen's HP weapon is equipped. 3 SLVL20 or 2 SLVL30 Union weapons with Exceed skill will get you +90, and 3 stacks of Asherah buff will get you another +90. That limits the benefit of Provisional Forest to +120 or +320 (don't forget to factor in the -10 to -15% damage from running HP instead of elem ATK skill).

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

As I understand, the Burst modifier cap is +300%, which is expanded to +500% only when Shingen's HP weapon is equipped. 3 SLVL20 or 2 SLVL30 Union weapons with Exceed skill will get you +90, and 3 stacks of Asherah buff will get you another +90. That limits the benefit of Provisional Forest to +120 or +320 (don't forget to factor in the -10 to -15% damage from running HP instead of elem ATK skill).

According to the wiki the burst modifier (soft?) cap is a solid 500%. Shingen's HP weapon increases the amount of burst damage boost, the cap stays exactly the same.