Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by nonsensei

As for dark, I've also seen some recommending Morgan, but you're throwing away PF like that. And compared to what wind can get out of her rampage, I'm not convinced going for her with dark is worth it. I'd go with Shingen instead as usual. Your team is fast enough to keep up with her, so I don't see the reason why not.
Also, the situation you suggested in the last part is not realistic. You'd want Morgan to have the guaranteed TA to be able to keep up with your team. Morgan is fun to play around with for beeg numbers, but realistically, after the 1st cycle of rampage, she becomes a burden.

Morgan and Shingen are solutions for different problems. My Wind Catastrophe build probably wouldn't work with Shingen. Not enough spike damage, and focused healing would be lacking. Conversely, Shingen is better when you need to Burst in rapid succession, when you need the EX slot, or when it's too dangerous to give up control of your team for 1T.

Originally Posted by nonsensei

As for light, Herc nuke cap is 700k, that should be feasible even with only her own buffs, so that's not something to consider, in my opinion. I usually go with Herc when asked for recommendation for light hero, but light is so slow that you could also make Shingen burst alone first & then along the whole team.. with PF. Shingen is the endgame hero, but if you don't have anything against farming one more hero weapon later on, I'd take Herc coz you don't even have the advantage of having a free EX with Shingen (since you'd need Sniper for 50% def down).

As for dark, I've also seen some recommending Morgan, but you're throwing away PF like that. And compared to what wind can get out of her rampage, I'm not convinced going for her with dark is worth it. I'd go with Shingen instead as usual. Your team is fast enough to keep up with her, so I don't see the reason why not.
Also, the situation you suggested in the last part is not realistic. You'd want Morgan to have the guaranteed TA to be able to keep up with your team. Morgan is fun to play around with for beeg numbers, but realistically, after the 1st cycle of rampage, she becomes a burden.

well, if i have the cores i won't mind to get more soul weapons in the future, but don't really want to go all out to get them either.
after FLB both pheonix bow i have 140 cores, enough for 1 MLB weapon and 20 more extra to start another one
but right now i want to focus more at gathering dark cores for future FLB.
and let say that with shingen i'll be stuck with sniper shot, what should i use if i take hercules?
if i use a different ex ability, i'll lack in attack debuffs and will reach the cap only after hercules burst attack, right?

i can also give the triple attack to morgan herself, if i'm not mistaken chernobog have high chance for combo attack too anyway.
4 characters that can strike more than once along with rampage sounds good to me.
not that it matters now, i don't have chernobog and not sure if i'll ever get her, so it's better to focus on what i actually have at hand.
so pretty much morgan or shingen there

Originally Posted by Slashley

When in doubt, go with Hercules.

as much as hercules is good, i don't really think i need her for my dark team as i can reach the cap even without her.

Originally Posted by CaptainNoobCN

as much as hercules is good, i don't really think i need her for my dark team as i can reach the cap even without her.

Two of them? Yeah, maybe. All four of them? I doubt it. At least not against 10 def.

Shingen is going to be more versatile than Morgan (due to the open EX slot). If you can only pick one, pick Shingen. Also keep in mind that a 0* Morgan weapon gives you most of the benefit (this is true of most Soul weapons). Shingen will benefit from 1* and possibly 3*, depending on your composition.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

Shingen is going to be more versatile than Morgan (due to the open EX slot). If you can only pick one, pick Shingen. Also keep in mind that a 0* Morgan weapon gives you most of the benefit (this is true of most Soul weapons). Shingen will benefit from 1* and possibly 3*, depending on your composition.

i'm currently using sniper shot as ex ability, i know that i have dark ama, but i did put her in sub and have susanoo in main for her nuke and damage.
or you mean something else about being more versatile ?
for now it seems like most of the members suggest shingen as soul for dark, may as well pick her

Originally Posted by Slashley

Two of them? Yeah, maybe. All four of them? I doubt it. At least not against 10 def.

usually all of them land, but even if not, it's being a while since we had a strong light enemy, so could pretty much overpower them even without all of them landing
not sure about harder content yet

Originally Posted by QXZ

@Bear,

can you tell us what you think of Chernobog, the current Dark SSR? does she have a role in the future meta?

thanks!

Very strong attacker plus a very handy 30% rage reduction (that also gives her 30BG unconditionally), but puts a strain on your pacing if your team is fast. Use with caution. And I think it's about time the whole idea about 'meta team' gets dropped already. You can't use the same team for everything. It doesn't work like that anymore. The most optimal team you use for farming trivial stuff like AQ/GO/UL raids aren't gonna be the same optimal team you using for 11~15F in Tower, or High Ragnarok Raids, or Dummy Punching events.

Originally Posted by CaptainNoobCN

i'm currently using sniper shot as ex ability, i know that i have dark ama, but i did put her in sub and have susanoo in main for her nuke and damage.
or you mean something else about being more versatile ?

If you can't sub PF on Morgan, her damage potential is being squandered. Think about the content you run and how often you can do without a different ability there. Though honestly Titania is a game-changer and I haven't thought deeply about how well Morgan with PF works in builds without her. Probably not nearly as well.

Originally Posted by CaptainNoobCN

well, if i have the cores i won't mind to get more soul weapons in the future, but don't really want to go all out to get them either.
after FLB both pheonix bow i have 140 cores, enough for 1 MLB weapon and 20 more extra to start another one
but right now i want to focus more at gathering dark cores for future FLB.
and let say that with shingen i'll be stuck with sniper shot, what should i use if i take hercules?
if i use a different ex ability, i'll lack in attack debuffs and will reach the cap only after hercules burst attack, right?

i can also give the triple attack to morgan herself, if i'm not mistaken chernobog have high chance for combo attack too anyway.
4 characters that can strike more than once along with rampage sounds good to me.
not that it matters now, i don't have chernobog and not sure if i'll ever get her, so it's better to focus on what i actually have at hand.
so pretty much morgan or shingen there

In light Herc's case, the choice obviously falls upon PF, at least in case of a single stage. For GO, it's probably a better idea to bring Sniper as your light has only 2 def debuffs at hand with relatively long CDs & only single target.
If you're concerned about atk debuffs with a freakin' Sol by your side, you might as well just throw out every offensive means for defense. In this case, that would mean swapping Michael to Raphy. If still concerned, Yata/Jorm are always available sub eidos.
About the def down part, longer fights usually don't require you doing high damage at the beginning, but around the 2nd/3rd quarter where you'd burst, anyway. Lacking def down cap in the beginning shouldn't hurt much, especially considering that light has everything else aside damage in general. In a short fight on the other hand, you probably don't need PF, anyway, so you can just grab Sniper Shot instead.

Moving onto dark, as I mentioned before after the first cycle Morgan becomes a burden. Which leads to..

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

Morgan and Shingen are solutions for different problems. My Wind Catastrophe build probably wouldn't work with Shingen. Not enough spike damage, and focused healing would be lacking. Conversely, Shingen is better when you need to Burst in rapid succession, when you need the EX slot, or when it's too dangerous to give up control of your team for 1T.

Morgan certainly gives a solution to some kind of problem, but in my opinion, her actual use is pretty niche. Stuff that require you making lots of damage at an early stage of the fight, but no consistency afterwards is pretty rare. I think Shingen is much more fit for general use for her consistency in burst gain & her free EX slot is valuable. This is why I suggested her.

So I guess I'd be an idiot not to try and take advantage of my newest Eidolon Belial. Fire has kind of been an afterthought for me because I had such a collection of cores in Water, Thunder, and Light. But I've seen that SR with a 100% can be just as fearful (or at least worth building) as SSR without.

The only Hime not captured in the SS is Amon and Brynhildr (or however it's spelled). I've got plenty of weapons to work on so that won't be a problem.

My issue right now is trying to create a team that will work well with Beelzel. I'm assuming her first skill "silences" your other Hime for the duration of the effect which I assume means to put her last if I ever want to use Auto.

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The fact that you broke Nataku's level limit but not Heph's makes me mad as all fucking hell.

Seriously, Heph is basically SR Hastur, you MUST use her in your fire if you don't have any SSR with A-frame debuffs.