Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

I've been gradually building different elemental teams. Still have to max out weapons/skills, so definitely not optimal builds, but I'm curious whether I'm essentially forced to have heals just to survive, or if there are other alternatives in terms of builds based on my team comp right now. I know I'm missing key units (ie. No Amaratsu/Gaia), but I have Awakened Sol, if that changes anything. Many thanks in advance.

*Units in () are notable (IMO) units I have within that element

Fire Team: (Running Andromeda for heal)
Agni
Ares
Svarog
Brynhildr
(Dakki) <- just started lvl'ing
(Scala)
(Nataku)
(Fire Eligos)
(Kishar)


Wind Team (Running Andromeda for heal)
Guan Yu [Aisha]
Cu Chulain
Titania
Oberon
(Azazel)
(Ithaqua)
(Principality)
(Zephyrus)

Thunder Team (Running D'art for Debuffs)
Tyr
Jupiter
Athena
[Thunder] Artemis
(Ramiel)

Originally Posted by Skyryder

-- but I'm curious whether I'm essentially forced to have heals just to survive, --

While I don't have anything specific to comment for you, in general as your Grid improves you're able to move more from having heals to not having heals. That said, for longer content like GO, having heals is nice while not a requirement.

You should have some idea of how that works for you in your Thunder team. Without heals, it's very much a contest of "kill it before it kills you." How well you can do that depends on how strong you are.

Originally Posted by Aidoru

Applying Hades Destroyer first is more important as elemental resist also works as affliction resist down for the element, so that dark resist down will increase the rate of the rest of your debuffs landing.

Interesting, would never have guessed that. Thanks for the tip.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Is it a given? Let's see:
-25% A Amon
-20% C Thanatos
-10% Resistance Satan Awakened
= -55% total

You're already past the 50% cap without Sniper Shot. So use PF instead.

I really need to start looking at actual values instead of simply looking at (de)buff icons to tell what takes priority/is most efficient >_<. Based on the numbers you provided I'm assuming dark resist down is part of the 50% cap? That's..... odd to me, unless the normal defense down cap is 40% + 10% cap for elemental resist down. If the generic attack/def debuff cap is 50% though (which includes elemental resist down, atk or def), that just seems like a really bizarre way to go. Not saying you're wrong mind you, just seems odd to me.

Anyway thanks for the super helpful info Aidoru and Slashley as always (including parts not added in quotes for brevity)!

Originally Posted by Saeleyna

-- Based on the numbers you provided I'm assuming dark resist down is part of the 50% cap? --

Yup, it is. "Def Down" and "x Resist Down" are the same thing with a shared cap. There are two differences however:
1. "Def Down" applies to all elements, whileas "Dark Resist Down" only applies to Dark Hime.
2. "Dark Resist Down" (supposedly) gives you higher chance of landing debuffs, thus making it strictly better. (I'm using supposedly here since I don't have any myself and can't actually test it)

There's also for example stuff like "Light Attack Down" which stacks with "Atk Down" and is again under a shared cap of -50%.


As for the "-40% cap", that's kinda true. For many players only have access to Ambush (A) and Sniper Shot (B), which gets to -40%. That's their limit, since access to C debuffs and Resist Downs are very rare for us still (and just one of the reasons why Hercules is so good since his Eidolon frame Def Down helps a lot). Because going from -40% to -50% is 16% more damage, that's a big deal. For comparison, a P2W Eidolon support is ~25% more damage.

When you think about it, you're kind of a funny spot - you have access to a A debuff higher than 20%, access to C debuff AND access to Dark Resist Down. Many people don't have any of those!

Hey I have 3000 jewels and I'm trying to get a halloween SSR. Which is a better hime to try for, Michael or Osiris?

Originally Posted by Xenos

Hey I have 3000 jewels and I'm trying to get a halloween SSR. Which is a better hime to try for, Michael or Osiris?

Michael is garbage and you'd rather get the Halloween SR (Thunder Artemis).

You do realize your chances of hitting an SSR, much less a rate-up SSR, is next to none with just one 10-roll, right?

Originally Posted by Slashley

Michael is garbage and you'd rather get the Halloween SR (Thunder Artemis).

You do realize your chances of hitting an SSR, much less a rate-up SSR, is next to none with just one 10-roll, right?

Ok, so I got Thunder Artemis already, so i guess i can save up my jewels for some other time. Thanks for the info.

Originally Posted by Aidoru

Situational.

Shingen+Spear+Sniper Shot, Tsuki, Diana, Micheal, and Sol. Metatron and whoever else sub.
-50% def down. -40% atk down. PF/FB same turn.

Mordred+Ambush, Tsuki, Raph, Eros, and Sol. Metatron and whoever else sub.
-45% def down. -50% atk down. VoF+Black propaganda. Raph for orb reduction. Eros for barrier.
You can use the Mordred set up even without her weapon.

Thanks! cant wait to try these.

Originally Posted by Slashley

You do realize your chances of hitting an SSR, much less a rate-up SSR, is next to none with just one 10-roll, right?

i've played this game a grand total of 1 yr (including my previous acct) and i have never, ever gotten an event SSR from jewels. the only time i ever gotten one is from rerolling until i get one.

Originally Posted by QXZ

i've played this game a grand total of 1 yr (including my previous acct) and i have never, ever gotten an event SSR from jewels. the only time i ever gotten one is from rerolling until i get one.

Yikes. I envy the few people who got dark amaterasu, then. I probably wont ever get her :/