Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

I don't believe that it's 3%, as that wouldn't make sense. For example, in Union buffs 100 stacks of Double+ is 25% and 100 stacks of Triple+ is 10%. The same pattern repeats in combo+ skills (for example Awakened Titania is +50% Double and +30% Triple).

Yet, the JP wiki lists Double+ and Triple+ from weapons at the same values, more or less. While it is possible... I find that highly unlikely - the game "budgets" Double+ at far higher values than Triple+ everywhere. Thus personally, I'd consider that Rush(+) at ~6% Double+.

is it no nut november or no fap november cuz if u fap and dont nut does that count or do you lose if you fap in general hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Originally Posted by Slashley

I don't believe that it's 3%, as that wouldn't make sense. For example, in Union buffs 100 stacks of Double+ is 25% and 100 stacks of Triple+ is 10%. The same pattern repeats in combo+ skills (for example Awakened Titania is +50% Double and +30% Triple).

Yet, the JP wiki lists Double+ and Triple+ from weapons at the same values, more or less. While it is possible... I find that highly unlikely - the game "budgets" Double+ at far higher values than Triple+ everywhere. Thus personally, I'd consider that Rush(+) at ~6% Double+.

While according to JP wiki Rush and Barrage are both 1% on 20 slvl, Rush(+) is 3% and Barrage(+) is 2% at 20 slvl. Combo data is extremaly tedious to get, so this data is in fact quite unreliable. But if we do consider values of Rush to be much higher than JP wiki states, that would pose a question: are fire UE Bow and Andramelech bow that bad ?

Aside from that though, Lance is much cheaper on gold mats (55 with FLB vs. 120), so I think farming it in experts is relatively possible.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

--Aside from that though, Lance is much cheaper on gold mats (55 with FLB vs. 120), so I think farming it in experts is relatively possible.

Oh shit, I entirely forgot that they crushed the requirements for the Eidolon and the first SSR weapon. Good point.

Yes, people who can farm Expert can probably MLB the Lance, and should get that first (and also grab Apo herself if you need a Fire or Dark Eidolon).

Originally Posted by Slashley

Oh shit, I entirely forgot that they crushed the requirements for the Eidolon and the first SSR weapon. Good point.

Yes, people who can farm Expert can probably MLB the Lance, and should get that first (and also grab Apo herself if you need a Fire or Dark Eidolon).

I'll just add to that to remember about leaving 45 silver and 25 gold mats for FLB. One can easily forget about it and it can cost some huge power spike for said weapon.

Originally Posted by nut

The sword isn't a big upgrade, it's just a little better than an SRs weapon at max skill level and require 2x fodder to max skill level, so if you low on resources and can't get both weapons just get the lance and leave it in your inventory until you can leveling it or you'll miss one of the best free SSRs weapon, while you'll throw that sword out later.
If you keep play, you'll eventually able to do guild order and have plenty of resources but that lance only come once. Just remmeber to do gem gacha everyday.
The lance without flb is still much better than the sword. I think you only care about the stats, but skill is the most important part of a weapon.

Originally Posted by nut

But when you can only get one of the two weapons and don't even have enough mats to leveling, will that sword become that much important?
And is the sword notably better than the lance? it only have nearly 300 more atk and an unknown %rush vs 6% assault and nearly 100 more hp.
I already take your advice from the other topic and using the sword instead of a SRs weapon but I didn't consider the Sword a thousand times better upgrade. Just a little upgrade until Dark union event

Who said I can only get one of the two? I already farmed 3/4 of the sword by now spamming Ultimate on Auto-Battle. The point is that I wasted my time and resources farming the spear first and leveling it past 80, when I should have leveled the sword first because I'm not in a position where those resources are worthwhile on the spear.

I don't consider the sword a waste of mats (enhancing-wise or advent-wise) because I'm not in a situation where I have some super powerful SLVL20 SR to replace with an SSR. I have the SR dark gun at SLVL9, which caps out at around 1400-1500 ATK, whereas the swords caps out on 2300. This is a big improvement and I don't have any other alternatives besides the spear (as in, no other event SSR LB3's to farm). This makes the sword way more appealing for me: I literally just need the stats, it's a straight upgrade to what I currently have.

Advent material wise, buying everything is advantageous because I'm so weak, I actually need almost everything including Soul Points, so the sword is great filler because it doesn't cost any N-advent material and cost a crap ton of SR + SSR material. This is good for me because N+R material can be used to buy Half Elixirs from the same event for very cheap, netting me more resources overall than I spend + gold chests drop SR weapon/eidolon enhancement material. The excess N + R material at the end I can spend on the 600 available Soul Points, which vastly accelerates the rate at which I acquire my EX skills, which would be slow as balls otherwise (400 more to D'Artagnan for SS, 700 to Joan for Trial, 900 to Hercules).

So yeah, the main point is that I need an outlet for my resources, and the sword is way better for that right now. The spear is comparatively not useful to me right now because it takes too much for too little where I currently am at, it doesn't match the rate at which my party is growing.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Oh shit, I entirely forgot that they crushed the requirements for the Eidolon and the first SSR weapon. Good point.

Yes, people who can farm Expert can probably MLB the Lance, and should get that first (and also grab Apo herself if you need a Fire or Dark Eidolon).

How can I MLB the Lance? I'm farming Ultimate on Ability-Auto, can barely do Ragnarok with an Endurance build + some elemental advantage, but GO eviscerates me, so how can I farm Orichalcon to MLB the lance?

Originally Posted by KTA

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How can I MLB the Lance? I'm farming Ultimate on Ability-Auto, can barely do Ragnarok with an Endurance build + some elemental advantage, but GO eviscerates me, so how can I farm Orichalcon to MLB the lance?

MLB means Maximum Limit Break, different from Final Limit Break that you need Ori for.

The point is, get the Lance to 3-stars now and leave yourself with the Gold and Silver Apocalypse materials to FLB it One Day(tm) when you get strong enough for GO.

Originally Posted by KTA

How can I MLB the Lance? I'm farming Ultimate on Ability-Auto, can barely do Ragnarok with an Endurance build + some elemental advantage, but GO eviscerates me, so how can I farm Orichalcon to MLB the lance?

You can get 1 Orichalcon if you are at least capable of clearing 2 first stages of GO consistently (3 times per week). It's not much, but it counts or something.
Getting second Orichalcon requires clearing whole thing at least one time (and with some kind of mission, in most cases 3x SR).

Originally Posted by Unregistered

While according to JP wiki Rush and Barrage are both 1% on 20 slvl, Rush(+) is 3% and Barrage(+) is 2% at 20 slvl. Combo data is extremaly tedious to get, so this data is in fact quite unreliable. But if we do consider values of Rush to be much higher than JP wiki states, that would pose a question: are fire UE Bow and Andramelech bow that bad ?

Adramelech bow is that bad because it's Rush only. Do you really want to spend one of your ten weapon slots on something that won't raise your assault at all for just Rush (L)?
Wrath bow gets mocked relative to the other first union event weapons because the comparison is Rush vs Stinger/Ascension/Barrage/Defender/Exceed. You'll still stick Wrath bow into your fire grid because of the Pride (L). You'll just be annoyed that spending 3 ori for the FLB gets you Rush (S).

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Adramelech bow is that bad because it's Rush only. Do you really want to spend one of your ten weapon slots on something that won't raise your assault at all for just Rush (L)?
Wrath bow gets mocked relative to the other first union event weapons because the comparison is Rush vs Stinger/Ascension/Barrage/Defender/Exceed. You'll still stick Wrath bow into your fire grid because of the Pride (L). You'll just be annoyed that spending 3 ori for the FLB gets you Rush (S).

Now then, it all depends on how much Rush does rise DA. If Rush(S) would give 5%+ DA (which it probably doesn't), depending on team I'd probably take it instead of unreliable Stinger which boost damage by 20% with about 10% chance and only if I have elemental advantage.