Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by felix

considering your team, this is super biased lol. best element atm in dmm is water hands down, followed by fire and dark (depending on your himes) followed by thunder, followed by wind and with light at last spot, although ive heard devs are tryin to buff light, so that might change

Ok. First, its good to repeat the same exact thing we already know cause everybody has read the post you're talking about but it wasnt the question. His question was about Thor, which kamihime would be good with her and if Gaia would work aside. So what you're saying is irrelevant.

Second, i don't have any personal opinion about lightning because i only got the 2 SSR this morning and couldnt test it yet.

At last, instead of claiming things you've read like a parrot without having the occasion to test it yourself (nothing personal, you're not the only one), it would be nice to take few things in consideration :

-What you read was true at the time it was written, it doesnt mean its true on nutaku now, or still true on dmm. For example, apparently (and i say apparently cause its something i've read, just like you), at some point, Light becomes the strongest element (or one of the strongest) because of a Kamihime with a unique Light resistance debuff. Maybe next patch, Dark will become the strongest element because of a god tier kamihime release, you never know.
-Its also only true if you have the good kamihime. What you're team will look like is heavily luck dependent. Someone who only has acces to SR doesnt give a f..k water is super op with the good SSR combo.

Aside that, yes, i agree with you, water has a good unit pool, and if you're lucky enough to draw Chtulu when she will be release, i'm sure you can faceroll anything you want.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I'm a clueless newbie to the game who's trying to figure out how to manage which 3rd tier Soul/Heroic Spirit to aim for (or what order) as well as EX Ability matters, assistance would be appreciated.

Its pretty simple, there are 3 Souls who does better than the others : Mordred, Andromeda and Siegfried.

Mordred is really good early game, but the main reason you're choosing her (debuff) loose its interest late game because a lot of kamihime does the same thing but better (for example, Belphegor has a more powerful version of her atk/def debuff)
Unlocking her isnt a loss though cause, as you said, Black Propaganda will be a powerful ex ability lategame, which will mitigate overdrive damage from the boss.

Andromeda is a soul everybody will unlock at some point for 2 reasons :
She is amazing, nothing much to tell. During raid everybody will benefit from her healing and she will rez you're kamihime (you can easily be os by a multihit). As long as she is alive, your group is alive.
Healer is a crucial role and you don't always have access to a good one (the luck dependent i was talking about)

Siegfried just hits like a truck on stun and will allow you to max your chance of getting MVP during raid, if played correctly. Also she will allow you to quickly deplete rage bar, when the boss is the most dangerous.

Whatever you choose between those 3, you wont be wrong.

About EX skill, it will be related to your actual team. Do you need more debuff? An attack buff? Maybe more hp regen or a damage skill? It might change every time you replace a kamihime. First thing you have to look at is "does this buff/debuff stacks with the one i already have?"

I will resume : each type of spells have 3 different frame (A, B and C). Same frame wont stack together.

For example : Dar't, Belphegor and Mordred's debuff (atk+def) are all B frame.

This is a link to japan wiki if you want to learn more. You'll have to use google translate.

Also you don't seems to be far in the game, so maybe before going further, you want to read this.

Damn i wrote an entire novel again

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I'm not really sure if I want to dive into this game hardcore, but nonetheless, I'm a clueless newbie to the game who's trying to figure out how to manage which 3rd tier Soul/Heroic Spirit to aim for (or what order) as well as EX Ability matters, assistance would be appreciated. OTL

To my understanding after looking around (but not quite absorbing everything), the most touted are Andromeda and Siegfried, with D'Artagnan as a followup for farming purposes/EX Abilities. Thing is, apparently Andromeda does best with Black Propaganda, which also needs one to have Mordred? So I'm not sure if I want to jump to Siegfried to save me the hassle, or just go get Andromeda and then pump the points for D'Art/Mordred. Also, if I go for Sieg what EX ability does she like?

If it helps any, the starting Kamihime and Amon aside I have Belphegor, Hermod, Nergal and Baphomet. Thanks in advance. ><

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Don't think I've heard of Andromeda + Black Propaganda. Andromeda can work pretty well with Sniper Shot from D'artagnan, if you don't already have B-frame atk/def debuffs provided by someone else. But what you want as ex skill will be dictated by the situation and what you have to work with.

As long as you don't have an SR/SSR healer outside of Nike, Cassiopeia/Andromeda shoot up in priority. Which right now effectively means 'if you don't have Sol or Brynhildr, seriously consider Cassiopeia/Andromeda'. Second and fifth event from now will be thunder, for that matter.

Ah. Icic, thanks for that input. Just a couple more questions, after getting and leveling Andromeda should I focus on acquiring EX Ability options for her or just move on to Siegfried so I have different options for different situations? Also, color me dumb but what kind of EX Abilities would one want for various occasions, so I know how to properly slot and adjust as is needed?

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Originally Posted by Yolodesu

Its pretty simple, there are 3 Souls who does better than the others : Mordred, Andromeda and Siegfried.

Mordred is really good early game, but the main reason you're choosing her (debuff) loose its interest late game because a lot of kamihime does the same thing but better (for example, Belphegor has a more powerful version of her atk/def debuff)
Unlocking her isnt a loss though cause, as you said, Black Propaganda will be a powerful ex ability lategame, which will mitigate overdrive damage from the boss.

Andromeda is a soul everybody will unlock at some point for 2 reasons :
She is amazing, nothing much to tell. During raid everybody will benefit from her healing and she will rez you're kamihime (you can easily be os by a multihit). As long as she is alive, your group is alive.
Healer is a crucial role and you don't always have access to a good one (the luck dependent i was talking about)

Siegfried just hits like a truck on stun and will allow you to max your chance of getting MVP during raid, if played correctly. Also she will allow you to quickly deplete rage bar, when the boss is the most dangerous.

Whatever you choose between those 3, you wont be wrong.

About EX skill, it will be related to your actual team. Do you need more debuff? An attack buff? Maybe more hp regen or a damage skill? It might change every time you replace a kamihime. First thing you have to look at is "does this buff/debuff stacks with the one i already have?"

I will resume : each type of spells have 3 different frame (A, B and C). Same frame wont stack together.

For example : Dar't, Belphegor and Mordred's debuff (atk+def) are all B frame.

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Damn i wrote an entire novel again

Drat, can't quote the links due to unregistered. Oh well.

Still, this looks helpful. I'll read those later at a more convenient time and ask again if I need to, but for now thanks again guys!

Originally Posted by Yolodesu

cause everybody has read the post you're talking about

thats quite presumptuous of you. do u really expect everyone, who comes to this forum to do research and read certain post on completely different forum? yeah, that unreasonable to say the least.

Originally Posted by Yolodesu

His question was about Thor, which kamihime would be good with her and if Gaia would work aside. So what you're saying is irrelevant.

Oh, so saying that fire team is best IS relevant, even though you proceed to say that what you get from gacha is completely rng and cannot be controlled. Good job! Besides, if you make a statement for someone who is looking for a help, perhaps you could explain the reasoning behind your advise, instead of just dropping "fire team is best, deal with it"

Originally Posted by Yolodesu

Second, i don't have any personal opinion about lightning because i only got the 2 SSR this morning and couldnt test it yet.

At last, instead of claiming things you've read like a parrot without having the occasion to test it yourself (nothing personal, you're not the only one), it would be nice to take few things in consideration :

you are presuming an awful lot of things in this post... Who said i havent played DMM and had no chance to test these things? I haven't, but you couldn't have known that, and presuming that im dropping this info without any basis or research (and yes, i have read alot more than just that one post and have a pretty good idea of the state of the game both now and in DMM version) is quite offensive, especially for someone who doesn't bother to explain his own statements.

Lol i admire how you're trying to turn things around. You're the one coming out of nowhere, telling us that water is the best element while we were talking about a Thor based team.

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

since no one brought it up from what I noticed, I may as well ask this question.

our newest SSR Kamihime Thor, who does she work well best among the other SSRs??? and is she good compared to the others???

Originally Posted by Yolodesu

She seems to be good. Paralysis will increase your damage for a short amount of time, and her Hateful smash seems pretty funny to use.

Pair her with Tyr for a huge burst potential.
Or, as every other kamihime in the game, with Sol.
And if you manage to draw Ramiel aside that its jackpot.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

so basically if got these 2 Thunders with her, you have op af account??? damn...

suppose adding Gaia with those as well would it work??? I know Sol would work with basically any team, so that is a given, but what of Gaia if you somehow got lucky enough to pull both her and Tyr with her??

Originally Posted by Yolodesu

I think you should be more ambitious and aim for a Thor + Tyr + Ramiel + Sol + Gaia account!

More seriously, even those 2 alone will be good.
But imo, best element you could get aside lightning is fire. Not to use in the same team but you'll kinda need a decent fire team if you want to farm wind event.

Originally Posted by felix

considering your team, this is super biased lol. best element atm in dmm is water hands down, followed by fire and dark (depending on your himes) followed by thunder, followed by wind and with light at last spot, although ive heard devs are tryin to buff light, so that might change

I mean, i know english isnt my first language and i sometimes to mistakes (aside≠alongside), but even then, wasnt it clear enough if you read the whole sentence and not only the first few words?

Originally Posted by felix

perhaps you could explain the reasoning behind your advise, instead of just dropping "fire team is best, deal with it"

I did. But i can develop more precisely if you want. Hum-hum :
If you want to go for a thunder team the best secondary element you can get would be fire imo because you'll have a strong thunder team but it will be weak against wind and wind is weak against fire so if you want to farm wind event fire team might help because it is strong against wind and at the beginning since you won't have a full weapon grid with maxed atk skills fire team will help you on wind.

Damn thats true, things are more clear now.

Originally Posted by felix

Who said i havent played DMM and had no chance to test these things?

You did

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Originally Posted by felix

[...]So are we gettin a huge nerf in the future? Is it a bug? Is it supposed to be so? Cus if it is supposed to be 3 turns, then i dont see why fafnir should be best summon in game...

Originally Posted by felix

to my knowlage, we will be gettin events like increased rate of attack hime, or tricky hime, but idk if its increased chance of gettin SSR in general, or just increased "weight" of certain hime types within that 3% bracket. i would assume its the latter[...]

Originally Posted by felix

where do u farm 2nd tier upgrade crystals? the ones that look like rainbow stick? [...]

Originally Posted by felix

is there a way to tell if a borrowed summon will be charged at start of battle or not?

Originally Posted by felix

been wondering this for a while but cant seem to find this info anywhere... how much does "X-element assault" skill on weapon actually gives for + and ++ version of the skill per lvl?

ect...

Originally Posted by felix

and presuming that im dropping this info without any basis or research

Oh i know you did some research, since what you were saying is literally a copy paste from this post

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Originally Posted by felix

best element atm in dmm is water hands down, followed by fire and dark (depending on your himes) followed by thunder, followed by wind and with light at last spot, although ive heard devs are tryin to buff light, so that might change

Water (Best element, can heal/debuff/buff/spike damage, requires later KH that you probably won't have for half a year) >>>>>> Fire (Glass cannon element, lacks survivability but a lot of SSR event weapons to support. Amaterasu will be a godsent if you have her.) = Dark (Only if you have beelze, else goes behind Thunder) > Thunder (High spike skill damage, can paralyze boss, also offer some debuff. Not much healing exist) > Wind (Multihit specialist, burst gauge filler, your only debuffer is literally Oberon which is a SR. Gaia boost your team survive rate by LOTS) > Light (Literally good for nothing, lacks debuff, lacks damage, lacks event SSR. KH skills are all over the place. Sol is god tier KH but you better off splash her into other element team. The dev are trying to buff this element right now it seems.)

And even then, this guy is more moderate than you are

These are my personal recommendation from playing 9 months of this game.

Anyway. You seems to have your own logic so, what can i say? Just keep thinking what you're thinking, it doesnt really matter in the end.

I'll just conclude with a very mature touch, cause you made me laugh a lot

Originally Posted by felix

you are presuming an awful lot of things in this post...

Originally Posted by felix

[...]is quite offensive[...]

Edit : Quotes battle! ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta!

want to ask, is it possible to get multiple ssr from gacha in this event? or if i already draw the ssr eido/weap then they are removed from the pool

Originally Posted by exkidd

want to ask, is it possible to get multiple ssr from gacha in this event? or if i already draw the ssr eido/weap then they are removed from the pool

you can get multiple SSR. I already got 2 Jorm. and no luck with hammer...



This event gacha is good. they sometimes drop N eido and weapon with +1 .

Originally Posted by Gouda

you can get multiple SSR. I already got 2 Jorm. and no luck with hammer...



This event gacha is good. they sometimes drop N eido and weapon with +1 .

ok, thanks for the info

Originally Posted by Yolodesu

Lol i admire how you're trying to turn things around. You're the one coming out of nowhere, telling us that water is the best element while we were talking about a Thor based team.

that guy was asking about compatibility between 2 thunder SSR hime, but apparently telling him to go for fire secondary team in response to that question is NOT coming out of nowhere, but informing him on element ranking IS... LOGIC!

Originally Posted by Yolodesu

You did

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ect...

Have you been stalking me? That's just creepy.

as for copy/paste, your argument is just... Silly to say the least. Let me demonstrate: "Oh, look at you, you wrote E = mc2, clearly you are copy/pasting Einstein, you parrot physicist wanabe!" Does that statement sound stupid?
Point is, if something is true, it is true regardless, where you got it: from personal experience, from another post on another forum, or from divine revelation. The post you linked, was original, but since then, to my knowledge, nobody refuted the info there, so unless you can link me to a post by another DMM player, saying that this guy is full of crap and doesn't know what hes saying, your point is mute.

Originally Posted by felix

informing him on element ranking IS... LOGIC!

Its not. This guy seems to play the game already, he was wondering about this Thunder hime, and if a wind kamihime would be good with her. The point was to inform about element synergy. Element ranking was irrelevant.

Originally Posted by felix

Have you been stalking me? That's just creepy.

Lol, i was waiting something like that. No dude, you're on a forum, ppl read you and remember what you write.
And yes, if one day you're saying bullshit, we can still prove you what you said before.

Originally Posted by felix

"Oh, look at you, you wrote E = mc2, clearly you are copy/pasting Einstein, you parrot physicist wanabe!" Does that statement sound stupid?

But thats not what you are doing. You're taking some guys post, giving advice about his personal experience, moderating what he is saying with some details and explanations ("water requires some KH you wont have for half a year")
And you just repeat that with some assurance you shouldnt have ("water is best hands down") because you don't know what you're talking about.
I mean 2 weeks ago you didnt even know how friend's summon worked, and you us to believe that you had a knowledge spike and now know things only a dmm veteran could test? Come on dude be serious.
Moderate what you're saying, don't claim things like that. Or it makes you a parrot. And not an intelligent one if you want my opinion.

Anyway, i'm done. I wont spend my whole day answering to you.

Originally Posted by Yolodesu

And you just repeat that with some assurance you shouldnt have ("water is best hands down") because you don't know what you're talking about.

you didnt get my point at all, did you? What im saying is i dont need to be a physicist genius and come to a conclusion that E=mc2 myself: as long as someone else did it and nobody have proved him/her wrong, i will use this info. That's how research works, man. Just because i dont have personal experience about how it feels to be in open space, it doesnt mean i have no idea about it: do some research, and there you go, now you have an idea about how it feels to be out in open space. Hell, if you are so adamant about never using other's info at all, maybe we should never use cooking recipes: we didnt come up with them, using them is being a parrot! We should come up with our own recipes every day, right?
TLDR your argument makes no sense at all!