Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Kitty

30 min? there wasn't even a maintenance kek

Seems I got the original estimate 20:30 PST time mixed up only seeing that unusual 30. Regardless, still a surprise.

So the SSR Element Ticket in the large grab bag... what does that specifically entail? What can you get with that gacha Ticket?

Dejnov.

Originally Posted by Dejnov

So the SSR Element Ticket in the large grab bag... what does that specifically entail? What can you get with that gacha Ticket?

Dejnov.

the ticket doesn't state specifically both hime and eido or just himes but it should have been clear SSRs of that element. so far the 2 people i know bought it and they got himes from it so probably the latter

Is there an upcoming water hime that I should be saving for?

vohu manaf

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

Uhh.

This is where investment into null grids, and bricking hime weapons and things come into play. That's how you'll begin extending past the realm of limited to 150% assault and stuff like that.

Null Grids which we don't even have yet. And speaking of Null Grids, how realistic are those for F2P anyway? You roll with what you have, so how exactly are you going to have 5 weapons of the same type? I mean, outside of Thunder which nicely provides you with 5 SSR Guns (4x Gluttony if you've been playing since the start + soon to come Assault/HP Gun). Then you experience the GLORY OF HP(++++)! ... wait, shit. At least you get a fuckload of base stats, I guess.

Having access to Bricks, which we have gotten one for free so far.

So yeah, what are you supposed to do?
Yes, one year forward we'll have Tiara Set bonuses, notably power creeped SSRs (such as upcoming Light SSRs), lots more FLB weapons in every element, and maaaaaaybe Null Grids (though probably not). Yeah, that should outdo debuff resistant bosses (which are stupid). But right now, what are you supposed to do?

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

For the record, when I say almost every light unit becomes viable, I'm not kidding. They often fall into 2 categories: super good at multi-utility, or utterly borken in their niche.

Okay, so the only non-Miracle Ticketed Light SSRs that I've found so far in my... 15 months of play and decent amounts of 'dolphinism' is Frey and Shamash. Both of which I got in the past few days.

What do I get with those?
I mean, with the help of my MT'd Sol, Shamash can probably be quite tanky. And Frey sure as hell beats the living shit out of the previous entry in my Light team, Belobog. But that's not a very high bar to go over.

And I still don't understand your utter hatred towards Light Nike. I mean, look at your list of excelling Light Hime. Let's see:
Lugh - 6/2019
Tish - 1/2019
Takeminakata - 2/2019
Vishnu (out now) and light Athena (4/2019) form a pretty potent combo
Mike AW - 2/2019
Meta AW - 4/2019
Iris - 8/2019

Yes, Light Nike has no place in a team of these. Yes, I get it! But that's not the point! Literally only one of them is out right now. ONE. Okay, Michael and Metatron are out right now, just without their Awakenings. Oh, and okay fine, Vishnu is out right now, but her other half is still months away.

So, how guaranteed are you to get any combination of those? About as likely as you are to get Light Nike. Which is to say - pretty damn low. Yes, you can Miracle Ticket a couple of them and if you already have Michael, then Light Nike has no place in your team. And that's... uh, eight months away? Seven?

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

This of course all changes if you don't have the resources to run such setups, but when discussing where a character fits with the meta... introducing things like he may not have xxx derails the debate. Imagine trying to calculate something in maths, then somebody comes in and tells you that absolute numbers like 2 don't exist in reality, and that it's actually 1.999999999... somethang. I mean... yes, but try factoring that in theory. That kind of consideration is necessary, but I'd reserve it for actual team building and therefore application, not a theorycrafting session.

Well, I do think that we shouldn't consider just and only absolutely perfect teams. Because if we go down that rabbit hole - which we often do and I'm plenty guilty of it myself - then why not just say that all the content in the game is easy when you have 9x slvl30 Ascalons, 120% Belial, 5x lvl 100 Fire Kaisers and your team is Uriel and Svarog? And throw in a couple of Rs in there just for a laugh, because it's not like you need them for anything but Full Burst bonus.


Looking into the future is fine, but let's not look one year into the future and think that it's here today. Because it isn't - it's a full year away. This is Vine all over again, when people who had had Herc's Relic weapon out for months were laughing at how useless Vine is.

Originally Posted by Kuredo

the ticket doesn't state specifically both hime and eido or just himes but it should have been clear SSRs of that element. so far the 2 people i know bought it and they got himes from it so probably the latter

It has Eidolons. If it doesn't specifically say that SSR Hime, then it also includes Eidolons.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Null Grids which we don't even have yet. And speaking of Null Grids, how realistic are those for F2P anyway? You roll with what you have, so how exactly are you going to have 5 weapons of the same type? I mean, outside of Thunder which nicely provides you with 5 SSR Guns

People quite often use Raid SRs for null grids. For water you may have Glaive (this translation...) grid with 2x UE weapon and 2x Rahab's knives and one Raid SR. For fire you can use Typhoon's and Vlad's Spears.

Originally Posted by Slashley

And I still don't understand your utter hatred towards Light Nike.

I don't think anyone here hates Light Nike, just think she's situational at best. She works pretty well with light now, because they're pretty much bunch of slowpokes, but should you really roll for her because of that ? And as Cobblemaniac have said, the whole debate is whether one should roll for Light Nike now, which in my opinion is "no". Next week you'll get Tishtrya, which is better pick and you can even get Light Nike with enough luck (or lack of it actually).

Originally Posted by Slashley

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It is precisely because we have the power of future sight that I think we should be abusing that power to the fullest of its potential... as far as we can in a gacha game that completely depends on what RNG gives you at least. Why suffer the same problems from DMM server when you know what will come? The very same players have been complaining time and again that light Nike is really underwhelming compared to future releases after all. What does it help now? It simply tells anyone who looks at light Nike currently and thinks "Is she good?", no, if you're chasing after the meta she isn't phenomenal. Wait for something better. Chances are they won't blow their jewel stock on Nike and try for others instead. Sure, there's no guarantee they'll get the meta himes... but similarly I could reverse the argument and say there's no guarantee you'll get light Nike either. Or they could forget about light and go for for himes from other elements as well, which are also potentially more exciting than light Nike is.

Personally I put light Nike in a category that is far more unreachable than any future hime that can be 1 year away simply because she is limited edition. Comparing a limited edition to a regular hime has that kind of problem, if they can't bork the game harder than the regular then perhaps they deserve no place in the meta. Save your jewels for future hime. Unless you're looking for tower fodder.

As for light's status currently, wouldn't light Nike help a lot because light still can't damage for shit? Sure, if you already have her, use her. I don't have any qualms about that. I only recommend that you don't go out of your way planning for light Nike. If you ask me what to do for light in the meantime, my usual response is: wait. Go build up your grid in the meantime, and also take a peek at the other elements.

Frey and Shamash

Currently:

Your analysis on what you have is fine. Although I'l add, Frey is currently one of the best ways to quick spike kill a boss, considering light really doesn't have many options. Well, Frey and SSArty are your only answers really. Oh, and Shamash works with Vishnu for now, if you don't mind that bit of RNG.

On a tangent, Vishnu herself (as with any hime with lose something when you get hit gimmick) gets reworked to not lose her buffs unless she takes non zero damage. And gets a 2k HP barrier for 4T instead of def down on her burst, which really helps with that.

Future:

Frey works as well as she does now except better in the future. A buff to her skill 2 will add a 20% damage cap up buff (applies to all dmg) to Frey that'll be pretty useful for increasing her rage punish output. AND she gets an echo after her burst, which is pretty big for damage, both for lower and higher level players. She's still a decent hime in her niche: to whack bosses out of their rage phase quick.

Shamash herself gets adjusted a bit. Effect of passive aggro up increases, skill 1 uptime decreases to 3T while increasing the damage output of her intercept, skill 3 uptime increases to 3T while buffing her pride effect. How does this really compare to... well most notably light Athena? Admittedly, Shamash might not actually compare, especially given that light Athena receives some buffs to her patience buff which almost makes her the best single target light tank currently. Before light Athena gets buffed tho, Shamash is still a decent dummy to direct hits away from other himes like Vishu. And since intercept does give BG, she doesn't suffer in that regard as hard.

Null grids

Depending on element, some are easy and some are hard for f2p... vets.

Off the top of my head, water gets an easy glaive grid with 2 Rahab knifes, 3 Sloth scythes, and then the exceed bows. Light gets an axe grid (if you overfarmed Yule), with 2 Yule axes + 3 light exceed axes, and the rest are assault defender duals or better.

Edit:
Fire: spear
Dark: axe
Thunder: gun (gets better with thunder guardian... which is admittedly a year away)
Wind: :SuperDisgustedAmon:

lmao, single jew pull on DMM and i'm absolutely fucking SHOOKETH




shit now i want TAphro on nutaku, plox

Originally Posted by Kitty

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