Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Don't worry. Just let him burn.

Originally Posted by Gludateton

Vohu will be here this week probably. Also, Asherah and Shiva AW don't work that well together, Shiva AW buff is strictly stronger than Asherah's third ability. In most cases Shiva AW just replaces Asherah.

I wonder how would DMM players react seeing this. Calling debuff slave better than "not-so-debuff-slave-anymore" with +20 BG to whole party on orb eat.

Shiva aw + Asherath allows to have 100% uptime of water element buff, but crit, burst damage, burst gauge up are good buffs too.

Personaly i still think that to have BP on hime and save free ex slot for Shingen's MP skill or Herc (PF) is a very good idea for solo content, but if you are making a team for example for rag raids, where someone else will buff BP for you, then sure, Ctulhu aw>>Ruy-Oh or you even may remove them both and add a damage hime. And if you want to go to for example fire ultimate raid solo (or at least hit 51+% and then make invitation to guarantee MVP), not use BP is a bad idea because boss have only 1 orb. Anyway,+20 bg is not too much to be "not debuff slave anymore". Actualy, before aw, Ctulhu was always worse then Ruy-Oh, now she is sometimes better, sometimes not, but this +20% bg on 1-st skill and insignificant -1t cd on 3-rd is almost all that she had from the aw. Comparing to Sol/Gaja/Michael/Titania/Swarog etc it's nothing in terms of power boost. But if you want to have Vohu, Shiva and no Asherath, then Ctulhu can partialy replace her together with Shiva's buff (you will lose burst damage up and crit) and still have -50 def and -45 fire attack/-15 other element attack. Yes, -15 attack -20 def, while Ruy-Oh have -20/-20 so you have both debuffs capped vs fire with Vohu - it's almost 10% less damage from fire source. If you will use Lakshmi instead of Shiva, i don't like the idea not to use Asherath.
P.S. Personaly i don't have Ctulhu on DMM, only Ruy-Oh, Vohu, Lakshmi, Asherath, Saraswati, Ea so it's only my thoughts about her. About 7-8 month old account... 0$ spent... How i wish to be so lucky on Nutaku version... i have just a mediocre tier Posseydon here.

Originally Posted by Mraktar

Shiva aw + Asherath allows to have 100% uptime of water element buff, but crit, burst damage, burst gauge up are good buffs too.

Personaly i still think that to have BP on hime and save free ex slot for Shingen's MP skill or Herc (PF) is a very good idea for solo content, but if you are making a team for example for rag raids, where someone else will buff BP for you, then sure, Ctulhu aw>>Ruy-Oh or you even may remove them both and add a damage hime. And if you want to go to for example fire ultimate raid solo (or at least hit 51+% and then make invitation to guarantee MVP), not use BP is a bad idea because boss have only 1 orb. Anyway,+20 bg is not too much to be "not debuff slave anymore". Actualy, before aw, Ctulhu was always worse then Ruy-Oh, now she is sometimes better, sometimes not, but this +20% bg on 1-st skill and insignificant -1t cd on 3-rd is almost all that she had from the aw. Comparing to Sol/Gaja/Michael/Titania/Swarog etc it's nothing in terms of power boost. But if you want to have Vohu, Shiva and no Asherath, then Ctulhu can partialy replace her together with Shiva's buff (you will lose burst damage up and crit) and still have -50 def and -45 fire attack/-15 other element attack. Yes, -15 attack -20 def, while Ruy-Oh have -20/-20 so you have both debuffs capped vs fire with Vohu - it's almost 10% less damage from fire source. If you will use Lakshmi instead of Shiva, i don't like the idea not to use Asherath.
P.S. Personaly i don't have Ctulhu on DMM, only Ruy-Oh, Vohu, Lakshmi, Asherath, Saraswati, Ea so it's only my thoughts about her. About 7-8 month old account... 0$ spent... How i wish to be so lucky on Nutaku version... i have just a mediocre tier Posseydon here.

You're throwing debuff values like Cthulhu doesn't have anything else up her arsenal. Lemme bring up the actual comparisons:

Ryu-Oh has 20% def break, 20% atk break, and a BP.

Cthulhu AW has a blob eat for 20 BG (that happens to not be stormtrooper accuracy anymore), a 20% AoE def break, and a 15% atk break. Alright, that's where your comparison ends.

But. But. But. BUT she has an insanity debuff that when sticks, not only has the charm property, but also has a chance to completely drain the boss's orb bar. And Cthulhu gets high DATA rate on any enemy afflicted with insanity. And her burst effect gives herself increased afflict rate making her debuff stick rate higher.

Remind me again, how does having a single BP compare to all that? You're not going to seriously tell me Ryu-Oh is still the better debuff slave are you?

Originally Posted by Mraktar

Shiva aw + Asherath allows to have 100% uptime of water element buff, but crit, burst damage, burst gauge up are good buffs too.

Originally Posted by Mraktar

But if you want to have Vohu, Shiva and no Asherath, then Ctulhu can partialy replace her together with Shiva's buff (you will lose burst damage up and crit)

Quote from JP wiki for Shiva's AW buff: "味方全体の攻撃UP・水属性攻撃UP・急 所攻撃確率UP". It does boost crit. Hell, it even replaces Asherah's.

Originally Posted by Mraktar

Personaly i still think that to have BP on hime and save free ex slot for Shingen's MP skill

Guess what, you can take BP as ex and take Cthulhu AW. You now have BP, orb eat and +20 BG with cooldown sometimes higher than 7T. Even better overdrive control than with Ryu-oh.

Originally Posted by Mraktar

Anyway,+20 bg is not too much to be "not debuff slave anymore".

Orb eat and +20 bg.

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

You're throwing debuff values like Cthulhu doesn't have anything else up her arsenal. Lemme bring up the actual comparisons:

Ryu-Oh has 20% def break, 20% atk break, and a BP.

Cthulhu AW has a blob eat for 20 BG (that happens to not be stormtrooper accuracy anymore), a 20% AoE def break, and a 15% atk break. Alright, that's where your comparison ends.

But. But. But. BUT she has an insanity debuff that when sticks, not only has the charm property, but also has a chance to completely drain the boss's orb bar. And Cthulhu gets high DATA rate on any enemy afflicted with insanity. And her burst effect gives herself increased afflict rate making her debuff stick rate higher.

Remind me again, how does having a single BP compare to all that? You're not going to seriously tell me Ryu-Oh is still the better debuff slave are you?

Burst effect of affliction chance buff is just a compensation of Ctulhu's poor accuracy. Actualy Ctulhu aw's sometimes is not as poor as before, but Ruy-Oh doesn't need it at all - with Vohu she has no problems with debuffs if no thunder targets. Insanity is a good thing, but it's a chance-based so it may miss or proc not when you realy need it or not to drain orb, but i still accept this argument. Orb eat - yes, at least we may hope that it will hit more then once a day. Personaly I like Ruy-Oh more than Ctulhu because she allows to have free ex slot and provides attack debuff cap, but I'm not goeing to say that Ruy-Oh is always better then Ctulhu aw - they both have their pros and cons.

Originally Posted by Gludateton

Quote from JP wiki for Shiva's AW buff: "味方全体の攻撃UP・水属性攻撃UP・急 所攻撃確率UP". It does boost crit. Hell, it even replaces Asherah's.


Guess what, you can take BP as ex and take Cthulhu AW. You now have BP, orb eat and +20 BG with cooldown sometimes higher than 7T. Even better overdrive control than with Ryu-oh.


Orb eat and +20 bg.

Oh, i didn't knew about Shiva's buff, so you realy may replace Asherath with Shiva+ Ctulhu. Personaly I use Lakshmi instead of Shiva so i can't do so.
In terms of overdrive control - yes, Ctulhu + BP ex is maximum overdrive control + a little boost to BG gain. It's nice, but Ruy-Oh+ PF ex/Shingen's MP ex just means much more damage/ more bursts + attack debuff cap (almost 10% less damage taken then with Ctulhu). So you may choose between this 2 options.

Originally Posted by Mraktar

Burst effect of affliction chance buff is just a compensation of Ctulhu's poor accuracy

How bout you actually fact check before talking out of your behind. They buffed her accuracy including her non-AW with the same patch her AW was released. Her accuracy is now actually better than RyuO even without her burst effect.

Originally Posted by Mraktar

Burst effect of affliction chance buff is just a compensation of Ctulhu's poor accuracy. Actualy Ctulhu aw's sometimes is not as poor as before, but Ruy-Oh doesn't need it at all - with Vohu she has no problems with debuffs if no thunder targets. Insanity is a good thing, but it's a chance-based so it may miss or proc not when you realy need it or not to drain orb, but i still accept this argument. Orb eat - yes, at least we may hope that it will hit more then once a day. Personaly I like Ruy-Oh more than Ctulhu because she allows to have free ex slot and provides attack debuff cap, but I'm not goeing to say that Ruy-Oh is always better then Ctulhu aw - they both have their pros and cons.

Have you ever actually seen Insanity in action? The proc rate is decent enough for it to outclass a BP anyday. And even going by your standards that assuming it might not hit, what's to say Ryu-Oh wont fuck up and miss as well?
The way i see it, if her orb eater lands which is again more likely since she doesn't have her shit aim anymore AND she gives the team BG. Insanity can help a fuck ton when it does proc ( i have seen it happen enough times) and it also boosts her DATA allowing her to help with your burst rotation
Oh and as cobble said her value as a debuffer is basically matched by Cthulu AW in terms of capping out

When does Cthulu get her awakening?

Originally Posted by Superbia

When does Cthulu get her awakening?

About eight months from now, halfway through October.

Originally Posted by Slashley

About eight months from now, halfway through October.

Thanks. So a while off and that means I can awaken others without much worry.