Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

who has a better awakening tyr, odin or susanoo?

But Osiris's heal is not mediocre anymore, she got a buff. And about Chernobog - she doesn't work with other team at all. She forbids a full burst, she needs extra burst gain (Osiris?) to keep her 3-rd skill permanently, she has no debuffs/team buffs, just her own normal damage. I have her on Nutaku and can't build a good team with her even on paper, rest of team must work on her - i just use wind vs light. She is good in theory, but in practice almost all dark hime have no synergy.

And as we already discussing DMM version - i need help with wind team. Currently i have Herc (axe, bp) Frigg, Iblis, Aether, Arianrod. Now i have Odin unawakened ans 3 eyes. Is there a room for her in my team and who should i replace - Aether or Iblis? (burst damage cap is not needed with my grid, crit can be buffed by Frigg so Aether gives only 20 BG and burst damage buff)

Originally Posted by Mraktar

But Osiris's heal is not mediocre anymore, she got a buff.

Umm, yeah. From 1100 to what? 1300? Suuuure.
Oh, you mean the burst effect that gives her 50% ascension? Here's the reason why it doesn't work: Optimal dmg rotation will always prioritize Burst timing. Not the other way around, no. You don't adjust your burst timing so that you can give Osi a healing boost, and that's not even considering the fact that we still primarily use Osi heal as a BG skill as oppose to a healing skill. Having a healing boost tied to her burst is NG. Obviously you can just 'give up optimal dmg' to achieve better healing, but that's exactly the point isn't it? Synergy left in the Dark.

.... Did we mention that Dark Ascension weapon is almost non-existent?

Originally Posted by Mraktar

But Osiris's heal is not mediocre anymore, she got a buff. And about Chernobog - she doesn't work with other team at all. She forbids a full burst, she needs extra burst gain (Osiris?) to keep her 3-rd skill permanently, she has no debuffs/team buffs, just her own normal damage. I have her on Nutaku and can't build a good team with her even on paper, rest of team must work on her - i just use wind vs light. She is good in theory, but in practice almost all dark hime have no synergy.

And as we already discussing DMM version - i need help with wind team. Currently i have Herc (axe, bp) Frigg, Iblis, Aether, Arianrod. Now i have Odin unawakened ans 3 eyes. Is there a room for her in my team and who should i replace - Aether or Iblis? (burst damage cap is not needed with my grid, crit can be buffed by Frigg so Aether gives only 20 BG and burst damage buff)

True, but couldn't you just wait out 5 turns to build up for a full buffed burst and then just get Du Cheerborough back again in another 5 turns for at least 2 powerful full bursts? Or just have some sort of attack/tank build with berith/cherno for a nice frontline defense team with 100% uptime. I suppose she is pretty niche in a sense.

Groom wrap can also be somewhat useful for team survival purposes or just getting burst gauge.

Originally Posted by Dais

True, but couldn't you just wait out 5 turns to build up for a full buffed burst and then just get Du Cheerborough back again in another 5 turns for at least 2 powerful full bursts? Or just have some sort of attack/tank build with berith/cherno for a nice frontline defense team with 100% uptime. I suppose she is pretty niche in a sense.

Groom wrap can also be somewhat useful for team survival purposes or just getting burst gauge.

Sorry.

Reality #1: The notion of 'Waiting for a unit to FB' itself is bad. Current power creep is all about who can dish out the fastest burst while tossing the hardest hitting nuke on top of doing the most DA and TA. All of that while surviving boss mechanics including but not limited to extreme nukes, action inhibiting debuff spam, dmg sponge gimmicks and/or buff/debuff removal. Obviously you CAN play slowly and still live + do dmg decently, but that won't really help Dark to compete with other elements will it?

Reality #2: Chernobog's buff is obsolete. Lv90 Light Cata (Original) tears straight through her defense. You either have Fortitude like Berith or stack 80%+ dmg cut with Jeanne / Pluto / Yandere Gaia, or get blasted straight home. (Or you can just bring off element / Diaborosu team with other more powerful tanks).

The only thing going for Cherno is probably her 30% Rage Cut which is arguably very useful against both Light Cata and Haggith. But other than that... RIP

Originally Posted by Unregistered

who has a better awakening tyr, odin or susanoo?

Tyr is going to be pretty nice once her rework comes, and that's soon. Odin is VERY lackluster, basically only gaining Fortitude from it. Susanoo Awakening is alright, but that's about it.

Originally Posted by Mraktar

And about Chernobog - she doesn't work with other team at all. She forbids a full burst, she needs extra burst gain (Osiris?) to keep her 3-rd skill permanently, --

No she doesn't? As long as you use her skills on cooldown and don't miss out on attacks (like previous party members killing the wave before she gets an attack out), she'll be just fine.

Full Bursting can be an issue though, depending on how quickly you need to reach it. But if you want to reach it fast - you can just not use her third skill and she's pretty fast.

Originally Posted by Bear

Sorry.

Reality #1: The notion of 'Waiting for a unit to FB' itself is bad. Current power creep is all about who can dish out the fastest burst while tossing the hardest hitting nuke on top of doing the most DA and TA. All of that while surviving boss mechanics including but not limited to extreme nukes, action inhibiting debuff spam, dmg sponge gimmicks and/or buff/debuff removal. Obviously you CAN play slowly and still live + do dmg decently, but that won't really help Dark to compete with other elements will it?

Reality #2: Chernobog's buff is obsolete. Lv90 Light Cata (Original) tears straight through her defense. You either have Fortitude like Berith or stack 80%+ dmg cut with Jeanne / Pluto / Yandere Gaia, or get blasted straight home. (Or you can just bring off element / Diaborosu team with other more powerful tanks).

The only thing going for Cherno is probably her 30% Rage Cut which is arguably very useful against both Light Cata and Haggith. But other than that... RIP

You're right of course

Originally Posted by Bear

- Fire, while they fell short for a while due to lack of new AWs, quickly caught right back up with the new additions like Freyr and Haruhi (and arguably New Year SSArty) in the raw dmg department.

Is Haruhi really needed for fire like Thunder Aphrodite for thunder?
I could try to save jews for her but tbh I don't think I will get her anyway with my luck.
And I dont really want to spent another 1k$ to get a limited core unit, like Thunder Aphrodite.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Is Haruhi really needed for fire like Thunder Aphrodite for thunder?
I could try to save jews for her but tbh I don't think I will get her anyway with my luck.
And I dont really want to spent another 1k$ to get a limited core unit, like Thunder Aphrodite.

Tough question. I can only tell you that Haruhi is pretty much a Svarog AW replacement. But is she as game breaking for Fire as Afro is for Thunder? I can't really tell for sure.

To help you decide, here are the things that Haruhi offer:
- A nuke that hits progressively harder the more she TAs
- Stackable Party Atk Buff that stacks as quickly as your team's ability to make Haruhi pull off DATA
- a 5CD Instant Burst

GLHF

Originally Posted by Bear

Tough question. I can only tell you that Haruhi is pretty much a Svarog AW replacement. But is she as game breaking for Fire as Afro is for Thunder? I can't really tell for sure.

To help you decide, here are the things that Haruhi offer:
- A nuke that hits progressively harder the more she TAs
- Stackable Party Atk Buff that stacks as quickly as your team's ability to make Haruhi pull off DATA
- a 5CD Instant Burst

GLHF

Thank you.
But didn't you forget to list Vahagn for fire too?