Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Yeah, guess RNG is just fickle as hell. Sometimes it gives you multiple new SSRs, most of the time it gives you nothing, or when you think you are lucky that day it spams you with things you already have.

Is it necessary to buy the orihalcon gun for fire for the assault++? I still have 2 more slots thats sr weapons in my fire grid.

next good fire weps are the UE, in mid/late April with the assault++ FLB sword
then the assault++ staff from Resheph raid in early August.

so eh, i'd say fuck it and buy the gun lol, might help you get through wind events easier...
and if you have the pride bow, that eventually becomes fodder because of it's FLB... i guess.

Originally Posted by Schrophorclesss

Is it necessary to buy the orihalcon gun for fire for the assault++? I still have 2 more slots thats sr weapons in my fire grid.

No it's not necessary. But it can certainly help your grid if you've missed weapons from fire events in the past. While the ori shop weapons all have garbage stats, at least it's a dual skill, and thus still use-able for a lot of newer players. The fire one is probably one of the more worthwhile ones for a lot of newer players. Of course, you should still be prioritizing ori-usage first for any FLBs. After that, feel free to spend the leftovers however you want.

Ok, maybe I'll replace Iwanagahime's hammer later for assault++ weapons. I'll buy the gun after I MLB my 2nd typhon lance which is during the nandi event. Thanks guys

Originally Posted by Schrophorclesss

Ok, maybe I'll replace Iwanagahime's hammer later for assault++ weapons. I'll buy the gun after I MLB my 2nd typhon lance which is during the nandi event. Thanks guys

I'm not a pro by any means, but I would probably advise against FLB the typhon lance.
IF you are still using something like a defender SR that needs to be replaced, your overall gains from grabbing bow is much higher.

These are your gains:
1)FLB typhon lance = Defender(not even a +), 213 attack power, and 16 hp.
2)Replacing SR defender with SSR gun = Assault ++, defender "maybe" upgraded to defender(+) which is about 3% more hp at the same skill level. You might lose about 200-300 attack if the gun is only at LB0, but at 10% skill level, assault gives you on average 1500 attack from your grid. 1500-300 = 1200 so you actually gain more.
3) Replacing SR assault with SSR gun = Assault/Assault + to Assault ++, defender(+). The upgrade to assault would be 3-6% damage increase at the same slvl. If we calculate with 3% then that would be a 450 attack gain if we assume average attack of your weapons is 1500. 1500*0.3*10 = 450.

So looking at these calculations, getting the SSR gun to replace an SR weapon would provide much better stats than FLBing typhon's lance. Hope I didn't make any calculation errors here, and again, I'm not a pro. Just looking at it from a numbers perspective.

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Now I've a question. It seems like I have been getting combat buff/debuff priorities wrong.
Is my goal to first aim for 50% atk/def debuff, THEN get as much atk/def buff as I can?
Or is my goal, to get 50% combined attack debuff+attack buff, and 50% combined 50% def debuff+def buff.

Also during fights, do I drop ALL debuffs asap on the first turn keeping them refreshed then auto attack most of the time, def buffing on the same turn as an overdrive attack, healing when I need to, and ONLY using attack buffs for a combination of skill nukes and full burst?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

1500*0.3*10 = 450.

Typo, should be 1500(average weapon attack)*0.03(3% gain from assault++)*10(#of weapons) = 450

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I'm not a pro by any means, but I would probably advise against FLB the typhon lance.
IF you are still using something like a defender SR that needs to be replaced, your overall gains from grabbing bow is much higher.

These are your gains:
1)FLB typhon lance = Defender(not even a +), 213 attack power, and 16 hp.
2)Replacing SR defender with SSR gun = Assault ++, defender "maybe" upgraded to defender(+) which is about 3% more hp at the same skill level. You might lose about 200-300 attack if the gun is only at LB0, but at 10% skill level, assault gives you on average 1500 attack from your grid. 1500-300 = 1200 so you actually gain more.
3) Replacing SR assault with SSR gun = Assault/Assault + to Assault ++, defender(+). The upgrade to assault would be 3-6% damage increase at the same slvl. If we calculate with 3% then that would be a 450 attack gain if we assume average attack of your weapons is 1500. 1500*0.3*10 = 450.

So looking at these calculations, getting the SSR gun to replace an SR weapon would provide much better stats than FLBing typhon's lance. Hope I didn't make any calculation errors here, and again, I'm not a pro. Just looking at it from a numbers perspective.

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Now I've a question. It seems like I have been getting combat buff/debuff priorities wrong.
Is my goal to first aim for 50% atk/def debuff, THEN get as much atk/def buff as I can?
Or is my goal, to get 50% combined attack debuff+attack buff, and 50% combined 50% def debuff+def buff.

Also during fights, do I drop ALL debuffs asap on the first turn keeping them refreshed then auto attack most of the time, def buffing on the same turn as an overdrive attack, healing when I need to, and ONLY using attack buffs for a combination of skill nukes and full burst?

Actually FLB Typone Lance mean +15% Defender and 5% Assault
While compare with replace the gun with SR Assault is +13% Defender and 3% Assault
About your question, yes, you should aim for 50% def debuff, 50% atk debuff, then as much buff you can and using debuff, stack buff when possible, def buff when boss about to do massive damage, atk buff when you full burst or whenever you need spike damage

Originally Posted by Unregistered

These are your gains:
1)FLB typhon lance = Defender(not even a +), 213 attack power, and 16 hp.
2)Replacing SR defender with SSR gun = Assault ++, defender "maybe" upgraded to defender(+) which is about 3% more hp at the same skill level. You might lose about 200-300 attack if the gun is only at LB0, but at 10% skill level, assault gives you on average 1500 attack from your grid. 1500-300 = 1200 so you actually gain more.
3) Replacing SR assault with SSR gun = Assault/Assault + to Assault ++, defender(+). The upgrade to assault would be 3-6% damage increase at the same slvl. If we calculate with 3% then that would be a 450 attack gain if we assume average attack of your weapons is 1500. 1500*0.3*10 = 450.

Few nitpicks:
1) And 30 slvl. that's 21% Assault and 15% Defender (1% short of 20 slvl defender++) when maxed.
2) If SR defender is without +, it means it's dual skill, otherwise it's defender+ too. Also, if I calculate right gun is 893 Attack Power on 50 lvl, no way it's lose of 200-300 attack only. Remember that Ori weapons have rather bad stats (only slightly better than SRs).
3) Same idea as point 2

Now the question is: how reliably he can get Oris. If he can get enough to FLB all weapons and have spares, then he can consider buying gun. Buying gun if it allow him to get more Oris is good invesment too. Otherwise I'd against that. It's not like having 2 SR weapons is the end of the world (you can pretty much clear all content with it anyway.

Edit: Let me add my own numbers here. Slvling gun to 20 slvl is enough to slvl 20 slvl Lance to 28 slvl, which gives us:
a) Lance FLB + SR Defender vs. Lance + Gun: 20% Assault + 27% Defender vs. 32% Assault +13% Defender.
b) Lance FLB + SR Assault vs. Lance + Gun: 33% Assault + 14% Defender vs. 32% Assault + 13% Defender.
So FLBing Lance first is net gain if we consider Assault and Defender equal (I know we shouldn't, but to simplify things let's leave it at that).
Also FLBing Lance is gain of 10% Defender without any slvling.

Originally Posted by nut

Actually FLB Typone Lance mean +15% Defender and 5% Assault
While compare with replace the gun with SR Assault is +13% Defender and 3% Assault

I had completely forgotten about SL cap becoming 30. Sorry my bad.

But just out of curiosity as I do not know about Schrophorclesss's circumstances, so I'll be using my own.
If I am barely scrapping by, having SL 14/8s for my fire grid. But all 5 other element grids are only on average SL5s. Would it not be more beneficial to grab the bow and getting it to SL8 while I work on getting my other elemental grids to SL 14/8 as well? I assume by the time I get enough orichalcum to FLB my typhon lance AFTER getting bow(and getting it to SL8) I would probably, maybe, have just gotten my other elemental grids to have a decent assault SL. Or would it be better to still FLB typhon lance first and dump everything to reach SL30, at the cost of my other grids.