Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by toastedsnow

The SR is currently at skill level 4 but somebody told me to never raise an SR past that level so it's unlikely I'll ever level its assault skill past 4 - I have other weapons which take priority anyway. Granted, it seems to be the general consensus that Pride is ass so I'll probably never level the SSR's skill regardless.

Wow, you should change of source of information:
-SR max SL being 4 is only when you will fodder them. You won't lose anything at SL 8, but even higher is not a huge problem if you are using this weapon commonly.
-Pride is a very strong skill, and can easily compete with an assault one. You beat an SR assault weapon with less than 85% hp (easy to do) and an SSR assault at 70%. Even at 100% hp, you have a 10% increase instead of 13/16, so you still have a correct baseline.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

This one more for DMM players, what is the best light AAB team for hrags?

Anyone knows this? Thanks

Originally Posted by toastedsnow

Which is a better weapon for a pure lightning team?
(SSR) Lvl 100 - 74 hp - 1936 attack - Pride
(SR) Lvl 85 - 96 hp - 1566 attack - Assault

The SR is currently at skill level 4 but somebody told me to never raise an SR past that level so it's unlikely I'll ever level its assault skill past 4 - I have other weapons which take priority anyway. Granted, it seems to be the general consensus that Pride is ass so I'll probably never level the SSR's skill regardless. Probably will raise my Defender SSR before it since it gives a tangible benefit.

Next two Thunder events would be around June and August, one gives a Defender(++) staff which also seems to be getting an FLB that adds Assault. The other is an Assault(++) bow. It would be much more beneficial leveling the Defender(++)/Assault Staff IF it does get the FLB(required for assault) compared to leveling whatever Defender SSR you currently have. And unless you only have ONE SR assault in your entire grid you need to replace for full assault/pride SSRs, SRs are still worth leveling and using.

So my advice would be don't level Defender SSR unless there are news saying it will have an FLB with assault. Get your Pride and Assault SSRs to SL4 and SR assaults to SL8. I forgot who but someone helped me out a while back ago, and the math was an SR with SL8 would be considered "neutral R" as a fodder. Meaning you don't get more mileage per R fodder used, but you aren't in the negative either. Once your SSR and SR are at SL4/8 respectively, get your LB2+ SSRs to SL20. If that is done as well, you have 2 options.

Option 1: Get your SR assaults to SL20 one by one, don't try to do them all at the same time. You will eventually get Assault SSRs which you can use to replace the lowest SR.
Option 2: Use R fodders on Grails and defender SRs(used as skill fodder), SL4 for R Grails, SL5 for SR Grails, and a mix of SL3/4 for SR defenders(that you won't use). These will be your fodders for leveling SSR SL.

Eventually you would slowly replace your SRs with event SSRs, and KH single or dual skilled Assault/Pride weapons that you can limit break with bricks from tower medal exchange.

A useful link if you want to check what combination of SL fodders you need, google Kamihime wiki, then add >>> wiki/Weapons/Weapon_Skills <<< at the end of the url. I don't think I can post so yeah, you'll have to do it manually.

Originally Posted by kyc992

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So my advice would be, don't level Pride SSR(need others to clarify)?, --

Please level Prides. Prides are GOOD. The only time when a Pride isn't as good as Assault is during Burst Hour, but you're not going to need the help during Burst Hour anyway.

Ultimately, you take what you get. If you have SSR Prides, you use SSR Prides. It only becomes a question once you have a full, MLB SSR Grid, and at that point... you take whatever FLB you get. And it'll probably be Prides thanks to Union Events.

Originally Posted by kyc992

Pride is good as it gives you 2 different attack bonus, one from losing HP and one from an extra assault effect it has.

Looking at ONLY the assault % (skipping out the HP one cause don't know the damage formula).
Pride(++) gives you 10% assault at SL20, Assault(+) gives 13%. A 370 damage difference means you need an Attack(weapon+eido+hime) of 12333.33 or lower for your SSR pride to provide an equal or better bonus than your SR assault. Let's say your SSR is MLB so you still have 25 levels worth of attack potential, since I'm slightly too lazy to guess which weapon it is to check for maximum attack rating, let's just assume the damage gap doubles from 370 to 740. You would then need 24666.66 attack or lower for the Pride SSR to be worth it.
Since you are likely to be past the 24666.66 attack mark, the SR would be more beneficial. Even if you aren't don't worry, because that will be very easy to achieve.

But the above may be wrong, because I REMOVED the damage gain from hp lost since I'm not sure how much damage per % of hp lost we gain. It could be very likely that Pride is actually a lot stronger.

Every 5% loss in HP is a gain of 1% in assault. So when you're at 85% hit points on your Hime, that Pride weapon acts like a weapon with 13% assault. When your at 70% hit points the weapon has an equivalent 16% assault. Below that you're hitting above SSRs with Assault (++).

Originally Posted by kyc992

Get your SSR assaults to SL4 and SR assaults to SL8. I forgot who but someone helped me out a while back ago, and the math was an SR with SL8 would be considered "neutral R" as a fodder. Meaning you don't get more mileage per R fodder used, but you aren't in the negative either. Once your SSR and SR are at SL4/8 respectively, get your LB2+ SSRs to SL20. If that is done as well, you have 2 options.

Option 1: Get your SR assaults to SL20 one by one, don't try to do them all at the same time. You will eventually get Assault SSRs which you can use to replace the lowest SR.
Option 2: Use R fodders on Grails and defender SRs(used as skill fodder), SL4 for R Grails, SL5 for SR Grails, and a mix of SL3/4 for SR defenders(that you won't use). These will be your fodders for leveling SSR SL.

Eventually you would slowly replace your SRs with event SSRs, and KH assault weapons that you further limit break with bricks from tower medal exchange.

I'm not sure I'm the one you're thinking of, but I also still endorse this path of upgrading!!

One other thing to keep in mind. It takes 190 Rs (R weapon at level 1) to level an SR from 1 to 20 and 380 Rs to level an SSR from 1 to 20. You can get approximately 60 Rs from the Gem Gacha daily. That means it takes 3.16 days to level one SR and 6.33 days to level one SSR from level 1 to level 20. If you use other SRs (to level 4), Grails (to level 3), and Holy Grails (to level 5) you can reduce that time by 2 to 2.5. For one grid of 10 skill level 1 SSRs to level 20 it'll be 63 to 25 days. That is 1 to 2 months. If you instead raise your SRs to level 20 and then replace with SSRs you can add another 12 to 30 days. At worse, that's 3 months for one grid. And you have six to work on. Far better to pour everything into the assault MLB SSRs you have, raise your SRs to 8 and wait for additional good SSRs to drop from Advent, Union, and Raid Events than raising sub-par SRs/SSRs just because it's easier and all you have right now. Focus on the one or two awesome weapons you have in a different grid. You'll need it anyways for Tower Events...


Dejnov.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Please level Prides. Prides are GOOD. The only time when a Pride isn't as good as Assault is during Burst Hour, but you're not going to need the help during Burst Hour anyway.

Ultimately, you take what you get. If you have SSR Prides, you use SSR Prides. It only becomes a question once you have a full, MLB SSR Grid, and at that point... you take whatever FLB you get. And it'll probably be Prides thanks to Union Events.

Originally Posted by Dejnov

Every 5% loss in HP is a gain of 1% in assault. So when you're at 85% hit points on your Hime, that Pride weapon acts like a weapon with 13% assault. When your at 70% hit points the weapon has an equivalent 16% assault. Below that you're hitting above SSRs with Assault (++).


I'm not sure I'm the one you're thinking of, but I also still endorse this path of upgrading!!

Edited out my mistakes, hopefully won't be misinforming people now.

And yes it was you Dejnov

Originally Posted by Dejnov

An SR at 8 uses 28 sklvls and returns 28 sklvls when used to raise a different weapon. This is R neutral.

Wait, so using old SRs that have gained levels or skill levels makes leveling other weapons' skills go faster?
I keep trying to save materials by feeding my weapons until they have like an 86% chance for success or so, but it keeps failing. So if I can recycle older stuff that would be a nice help.
I've also been hanging onto excess SSRs from events to use as upgrade material, too. ie. I have a MLB Cow Hammer from the last advent, but also got a drop so I planned to use that when a weapon is around skill level 18 or 19 to upgrade. Is that okay, or should I hang onto those?

Originally Posted by Argo

Wait, so using old SRs that have gained levels or skill levels makes leveling other weapons' skills go faster?
I keep trying to save materials by feeding my weapons until they have like an 86% chance for success or so, but it keeps failing. So if I can recycle older stuff that would be a nice help.
I've also been hanging onto excess SSRs from events to use as upgrade material, too. ie. I have a MLB Cow Hammer from the last advent, but also got a drop so I planned to use that when a weapon is around skill level 18 or 19 to upgrade. Is that okay, or should I hang onto those?

Okay let's make sure you're doing the weapon leveling as fast and as cheaply as possible. First of, always aim for 100% when you skill level.
To raise a level in an SR you the current level in 'Rs' weapons as fodder and to raise an SSR you need twice the current level in Rs. For example: Leveling a level 5 SR to level 6 needs 5 equivalent SRs.

You can speed up the higher level raises by first raising your fodder. Each level of an SR weapon will give you 3.5 skill raises or 'Rs', while each level in a Grail will give you 2 Rs and each level in Holy Grails will give you 5 Rs.

The best choices are SRs to level 4 (this nets you 14 Rs for a cost of 6 Rs), Grails to level 3 (6 Rs for 3 Rs) and Holy Grails to 5 (25 Rs for 10 Rs). This nets you 2 to 2.5 times the base 60 Rs you earn daily from Gem Gacha.

If you don't plan on using an SR long term, you can raise it to skill level 8 which returns 28 Rs of skill raises for 28 Rs input. That is the skill neutral level.


An SSR returns 35 Rs per skill level, but you should never use an SSR for fodder unless you are absolutely sure you won't use it. And you probably don't want to use that Assault SSR Hammer for fodder.... as you might get dropped a Phantom Hammer and/or the event returns and it gets an FLB.


Dejnov.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Really? That's top (30 * 50 = ) 1500 players. Considering how Nutaku has like, what, ~1k people playing the game seriously, is that really too much to ask? During Greed, according to the other thread, highscore pp 2 023 672 got you rank 1217. And 2m PP is NOT difficult at all.

It looks like my Union is getting top50 (might drop just out in the last day, we'll see) with just TWO people doing the work. I didn't really even bother. Thanks for the carry, guys!

If you doubt in your ability to get accepted into the Unions that reach the top constantly (Ixion, Amaterasu, Drama Club, Susurrus, etc.) then fair enough. But have a look at places 10-20 and just apply there and chances are you'll do just fine.

You can easily score in the top 1000 as an individual and still be in a rank ~100 union.
Envy (last July) - 6.1 million individual (rank 333), 120 ult kills (rank 79)
Wrath (July/August) - 5.3 million individual (rank 432), 108 ult kills (rank 93)
Gluttony (September) - 3 million individual (rank 683), 104 ult kills (rank 92)
Pride (November) - 4.9 million individual (rank 506), 116 ult kills (rank 86)
Sloth (December) - 2.3 million individual (rank 938), 91 ult kills (rank 112) - yea, I just can't do much against Sloth
Envy (January) - 5.3 million individual (rank 518), 117 ult kills (rank 95)
Lust (January/Feb?) - 4.2 million individual (rank 475), 98 ult kills (rank 85)
Greed - 1 million individual (rank 2019), 86 ult kills (rank 150) - not enough free time

Not exactly high scores, sure. But to insinuate again that I'm not trying? It'd be one thing coming from someone carrying their union harder. But from a fucking quitter who's getting carried by someone else? From someone who insinuated to a member of my union that I and the other higher rank members aren't carrying their dead weight asses enough? Fuck you.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You can easily score in the top 1000 as an individual and still be in a rank ~100 union.
Envy (last July) - 6.1 million individual (rank 333), 120 ult kills (rank 79)
Wrath (July/August) - 5.3 million individual (rank 432), 108 ult kills (rank 93)
Gluttony (September) - 3 million individual (rank 683), 104 ult kills (rank 92)
Pride (November) - 4.9 million individual (rank 506), 116 ult kills (rank 86)
Sloth (December) - 2.3 million individual (rank 938), 91 ult kills (rank 112) - yea, I just can't do much against Sloth
Envy (January) - 5.3 million individual (rank 518), 117 ult kills (rank 95)
Lust (January/Feb?) - 4.2 million individual (rank 475), 98 ult kills (rank 85)
Greed - 1 million individual (rank 2019), 86 ult kills (rank 150) - not enough free time

Not exactly high scores, sure. But to insinuate again that I'm not trying? It'd be one thing coming from someone carrying their union harder. But from a fucking quitter who's getting carried by someone else? From someone who insinuated to a member of my union that I and the other higher rank members aren't carrying their dead weight asses enough? Fuck you.

wouldn't worry too much w the top, pretty much who starts their helpers and run their multiple clients the quickest lol