Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by kyc992

Imo that is not a priority, and only something worth considering when Chernobog has already hit capped damage with buffs/debuffs and your other Himes are catching up with the upgrade of your weapon grid. Also I did mention it might be "more worth it" when we finally get Dark Rags, and you are able to give her triple Tiara. Pluto is decently fast, but would probably need the 15% DATA from Tiara to match your team efficiently.



I agree that "at this moment" it's not something he has to consider ASAP, and probably won't for a lil while. It's mainly because he has AW Satan, Thanatos, Dark Ama and wants to run a fast team with Shingen that I recommended Pluto for later on.

Chernobog is very strong(carries my dark together with Kali) but considering how we will eventually be getting debuff immune contents, the Lack of buffs might hurt. So it kinda felt like replace Cherno with Pluto at that point, which his weapon grid by then would be upgraded would benefit him well. Also, assuming he can get fast bursts, since PF is used every other full burst, it seems that Pluto could rotate buffs with PF for bursting(or even stack together). AW Satan+Thanatos+Dark Ama provides ABC frames Def Down which is useful for bosses he can debuff, and against immune they are the fastest(that I know of) himes for running Shingen. At least that's what was in my mind when I recommended him replacing Chernobog with Pluto in the far future.

I don’t think dark is fast enough to keep up with shingen, the first rotation maybe but after that they are dead weight

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I will give you some advice and i hope you like to hear it despite i’m rude because i feel trigger when ppl with money play the game poorly. Your wind need titania AW to actually funtion well, from this point i dont care about your grid anymore because it not important in your eyes, you have kirin and rudra but your water himes is not that impressive, so if i were you i will go full invest on thunder because of raiko and marduk anf their OP AW in future, your next MT will be Dian, and Thunder Apro in the next anniversary MT will be your last piece of that OP thunder comp. I believe that comp can compare to any top team from any element in this whole game and you can throw it in any content.

The reason why i say you shouldn’t care about thunder is i though you have a 100% eido in your strongest team and water tower( the only event that require you to use thunder) is just gone and will not come back in a year. A 100% eido add enough dmg for you to beat most content even if it’s on ELEMENTAL DISADVANTAGE ( at least for me tho, my fire team is the only team that can beat water AQ5, not try with GO yet because at that time i’m still not strong enough so waiting for it to come back and try it, and i’m not whale at all, i just buy 3 MT and a belial from reroll and that’s it, the 3rd MT is Mars mostly for her weapon, it’s not like i need her in my team), so yeah if you play right, elemental advantage is nothing, just a cherry on top.

I know you work hard, that’s why i recomment focus on 1 element at a time and max it before go to another, and if you have 100% eido, you probally don’t need other element whatsoever

I've got to second this sentiment here. Your brother (and yourself) suffer from what I like to call 'griditis'. It's like arthritis, but only more painful

You haven't had the focus to advance one grid to skill level 20 all SSRs yet. Having OP Himes without the grid will only get you so far. Getting that first grid up (for any element you choose) is how you'll advance through all content quickly and easily.

The dirty secret for Kamihime is that it's an exponential game. The grid adds exponentially and you can blow standard content out of the water very quickly. A couple of OP Himes, a 100% Eido and an awesome soul and you don't need a second element. I only run a Dark team, in addition to my main Light team, is because it's already damn near maxed and you have to spend time on something else, go for the team that'll farm for your main team.

Get that grid up and see how your team runs after that. You might even feel strong enough to drop all healing completely!!


Dejnov.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I don’t think dark is fast enough to keep up with shingen, the first rotation maybe but after that they are dead weight

Wasn't thinking clearly, morning and all... I meant Osiris not Dark Ama. Yes I was worried about the speed too, but since I don't have Osiris nor Shingen, I couldn't test for him and could only go by theory and advised him to do a quick test to see if he can full burst on turn4, and whether or not cooldowns and stuff would allow him to full burst on turn8. He just has to see whether or not on turn 8 he has at least the following gauges: 55~70/90/80/70/60. 55(lance) or 70(bow but should be unlikely?) on Shingen so he can factor in whether or not it works IF he gets the soul weapon+MLB. This will allow him 2 fast full bursts, but ideally he wants to be able to reach 105/120 so he can use PF without sacrificing turns.

BRB gonna edit my previous post, hahaha.

Originally Posted by Argo

And these are my available SSRs for my Light, Dark, and Fires. Are there any I should prioritize over others? Like, for Darks Kali's weapon has Pride and Barrage, would that be more important than Amaterasu's mirror for example?
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I do concur that fire is your best bet at a good grid, you're not very far from a pretty decent one. All you really need is to brick Mar's spear and flb it in may and you're basically set. Best of all, both imporant fire UE weapons are still to come, so you haven't missed anything important there. Even if you don't want to main fire in the long run, working on it now for the next tower would be the best option, IMO.

That said, if you really want to play light, that's okay too, you're actually not too bad off despite the missed stuff. One of the downsides of light is a crappy free grid (but strong himes), so despite all the things you have missed, you're really not missing out on too much. There will be more stuff in the future, it'll just take you a while to get there. If you want a truly good grid for light, it's expensive. You will need to mtix Lugh, brick her spear, michael's spear, and tish spear eventually (when the flb comes), and pick up another filler spear (a dragon eye spear would be best). Definitely not for the faint of heart, but no one said become op would be easy.

Dark though... the stuff you missed really hurts, and I can't really recommend investing any effort into that element until we see some light down that tunnel first.

Originally Posted by kyc992

Wasn't thinking clearly, morning and all... I meant Osiris not Dark Ama. Yes I was worried about the speed too, but since I don't have Osiris nor Shingen, I couldn't test for him and could only go by theory and advised him to do a quick test to see if he can full burst on turn4, and whether or not cooldowns and stuff would allow him to full burst on turn8. He just has to see whether or not on turn 8 he has at least the following gauges: 55~70/90/80/70/60. 55(lance) or 70(bow but should be unlikely?) on Shingen so he can factor in whether or not it works IF he gets the soul weapon+MLB. This will allow him 2 fast full bursts, but ideally he wants to be able to reach 105/120 so he can use PF without sacrificing turns.

BRB gonna edit my previous post, hahaha.

Shingen can hold herself find in 4 turn burst cycle, but the problem is dark hime can’t hold themself, name me a dark hime that can consistantly generate 70-80 BG in 3 turn ?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Shingen can hold herself find in 4 turn burst cycle, but the problem is dark hime can’t hold themself, name me a dark hime that can consistantly generate 70-80 BG in 3 turn ?

With tiara accessories, Chernobog can (and so can Thanatos). Just don't activate her Cherno power (until you burst). If you pair her with Thanatos, Satan Awakened and Osiris you have a very fast Dark team, with only DEF debuffs (and one lousy dizzy debuff on Osiris). Pick up Shingen and Encourage Inspiration and go to town!!


Dejnov.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Shingen can hold herself find in 4 turn burst cycle, but the problem is dark hime can’t hold themself, name me a dark hime that can consistantly generate 70-80 BG in 3 turn ?

"Yes I was worried about the speed too, but since I don't have Osiris nor Shingen, I couldn't test for him and could only go by theory" In case you didn't see this.

Since I don't have Shingen, and I admit not being the most knowledgeable since everything I know is from reading forums and theory crafting... but to answer your question I'd need to know whether or not people run Encourage Inspiration(I'd like to know cause I'll eventually have Shingen too).

Osiris provides Burst Gauge 15% on a 5t cooldown, which can be effectively used every "first" turn after burst. So effectively he only needs 75/65/55/45 burst gauge in 3 turns without Dark Harvest.

1st hime) If we place Thanatos on the first slot(excluding soul), every other burst she has Grim Reaper for 25% which would be best used together with Shingen's Stallion Gale. So effectively she only needs 2 doubles or 1 triple during the 3 turns. Succeed Death is 90% burst gauge in 3 turns, used when Shingen's SG is on cooldown.

2nd hime) Chernobog has Groom wrap(+30) and Chemnostar Flush(DATA BUFF) on a 5turn cooldown. That means she'll be able to use it every "first turn" after burst. Being in the second spot means she needs 65 burst gauge and she already has 30 covered, that leaves her with 35 over 3 turns.

3rd hime) AW Satan has Fall from Heaven(DATA buff) which she'll alternate with Shingen's SG, and being in the third slot means she only needs to generate 55 burst gauge but of course still a bit of RNG involved.

4th hime) Osiris does not have a DATA buff, but she is required for her Dark Harvest. Place her in the last spot and she only needs 45 burst gauge, but this is the tricky part which relies on RNG.

Now if Encourage Inspiration is a skill that is worth being ran as EX, that essentially covers 20 burst gauge and can be saved for when you end up being in that unlucky situation where you are 10-20 burst gauge short.


These are the dark himes Argo has, it seems to work? But like I said, I do not own Shingen or Osiris and can only go by theory crafting. So I could be wrong which is why I suggested him to test the team directly. At least by testing there is a chance it will work for him, and by NOT testing then it'll never work.

p.s If I made a mistake, please refute me. I'd like to learn.

Originally Posted by Dejnov

With tiara accessories, Chernobog can (and so can Thanatos). Just don't activate her Cherno power (until you burst). If you pair her with Thanatos, Satan Awakened and Osiris you have a very fast Dark team, with only DEF debuffs (and one lousy dizzy debuff on Osiris). Pick up Shingen and Encourage Inspiration and go to town!!


Dejnov.

I thought triple tiara DATA buff only works if you've unlocked all 5 accessory slots? If that is true, then it's still quite a ways far off isn't it?

Originally Posted by Dejnov

With tiara accessories, Chernobog can (and so can Thanatos). Just don't activate her Cherno power (until you burst). If you pair her with Thanatos, Satan Awakened and Osiris you have a very fast Dark team, with only DEF debuffs (and one lousy dizzy debuff on Osiris). Pick up Shingen and Encourage Inspiration and go to town!!


Dejnov.

Cheno can if you not active her 3rd skill, thana skill cooldown is too long you you won’t have it in the 2nd rotation, osi BG skill is stupid, 15% BG is no different with 10% BG in 4t burst cycle, Satan AW is decent but no way she can hold in 1 slot that require 90BG in 3 turn, nice try but again pls

Originally Posted by kyc992

"Yes I was worried about the speed too, but since I don't have Osiris nor Shingen, I couldn't test for him and could only go by theory" In case you didn't see this.

Since I don't have Shingen, and I admit not being the most knowledgeable since everything I know is from reading forums and theory crafting... but to answer your question I'd need to know whether or not people run Encourage Inspiration(I'd like to know cause I'll eventually have Shingen too).

Osiris provides Burst Gauge 15% on a 5t cooldown, which can be effectively used every "first" turn after burst. So effectively he only needs 75/65/55/45 burst gauge in 3 turns without Dark Harvest.

1st hime) If we place Thanatos on the first slot(excluding soul), every other burst she has Grim Reaper for 25% which would be best used together with Shingen's Stallion Gale. So effectively she only needs 2 doubles or 1 triple during the 3 turns. Succeed Death is 90% burst gauge in 3 turns, used when Shingen's SG is on cooldown.

2nd hime) Chernobog has Groom wrap(+30) and Chemnostar Flush(DATA BUFF) on a 5turn cooldown. That means she'll be able to use it every "first turn" after burst. Being in the second spot means she needs 65 burst gauge and she already has 30 covered, that leaves her with 35 over 3 turns.

3rd hime) AW Satan has Fall from Heaven(DATA buff) which she'll alternate with Shingen's SG, and being in the third slot means she only needs to generate 55 burst gauge but of course still a bit of RNG involved.

4th hime) Osiris does not have a DATA buff, but she is required for her Dark Harvest. Place her in the last spot and she only needs 45 burst gauge, but this is the tricky part which relies on RNG.

Now if Encourage Inspiration is a skill that is worth being ran as EX, that essentially covers 20 burst gauge and can be saved for when you end up being in that unlucky situation where you are 10-20 burst gauge short.


These are the dark himes Argo has, it seems to work? But like I said, I do not own Shingen or Osiris and can only go by theory crafting. So I could be wrong which is why I suggested him to test the team directly. At least by testing there is a chance it will work for him, and by NOT testing then it'll never work.

p.s If I made a mistake, please refute me. I'd like to learn.




I thought triple tiara DATA buff only works if you've unlocked all 5 accessory slots? If that is true, then it's still quite a ways far off isn't it?

No you are right but just in the first burst cycle, Shingen can generate 12 Bg on her AA, have base 25% combo rate, 25% more with her buff, 35% on her 1st skill with 3t cd, and her burst give her back 25%, so she generate averate 30BG per turn CONSISTANTLY, there’re no dark hime can keep up with that consistancy, her MEX is party buff so i not gonna mention it

Originally Posted by Unregistered

No you are right but just in the first burst cycle, Shingen can generate 12 Bg on her AA, have base 25% combo rate, 25% more with her buff, 35% on her 1st skill with 3t cd, and her burst give her back 25%, so she generate averate 30BG per turn CONSISTANTLY, there’re no dark hime can keep up with that consistancy, her MEX is party buff so i not gonna mention it

Hmm but can't we think of it like this?



Burst Gauge requirements excluding BG from Osiris DH
Without EI:
Thanatos: 75
Chernobog: 65
Satan: 55
Osiris: 45

With EI:
Thanatos: 55
Chernobog: 45
Satan: 35
Osiris: 25


First Cycle:
Turn 1: Shingen Stallion Gale(party DATA), Thanatos Grim Reaper(25), Chernobog Groom wrap(30)+Chemnostar Flush(DATA), Osiris Dark Harvest(15)
Turn 4: Burst

Second Cycle:
Turn 5: Thanatos Succeed Death(90), Chernobog Groom wrap(30)+Chemnostar Flush(DATA), Satan Fall from Heaven(DATA), Osiris Dark Harvest(15)
Turn 8: Burst

Repeat the above 2 "rotations" and use Encourage Inspiration if you have a hime that lacks 10-20 burst gauge for a full burst?
I still think it is very viable, just maybe, maybe there is that ONE turn(rng giving you 0 data) which instead of 4T burst you are at 5T burst... but wouldn't that still be better than NOT aiming for a fast team and sticking with ~6T bursts?