Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Argo

Alright, I'll still keep focusing on my Light team then. I kind of want to use M.Tix for my other elements to bring them up a level, but if this Lugh is as broken as she sounds maybe they'll stay on the backburner. I still plan to blow all of my jewels trying for the new Amon and Diabolos just because I want them, but after that I'll probably save my jewels up to see if I can get a free Lugh or some bikini babes in the next summer event.

As for Orichalcon, I had just managed to get the second piece yesterday and FLB'd that Fire weapon since it's the only one I had that was ready. I'm not sure I'll be able to get 3 or 4 every two weeks, but if I'm able to get 2 pieces on that schedule that should be alright, yes?
And from the shop I should consider getting two more copies of of Tepes Lance, right? Anything else I should consider, or should the rest go towards FLB-ing whatever I can?

And speaking of shops, am I right in assuming that my Eidolon Orbs should be saved up towards getting more breaks for my God Kaiser Dragoon? I've summoned two of her so she's already 1-star, but it'll take a while to buy more from the shop. Until a while ago I was using my orbs to get a copy of ones I don't have to see their scenes, but so far they've all been pretty bad so I started saving up. I'm around 2800 orbs now.

And what about the Accessory shop? It only has rings, and rings seem to be the worst kind. Are they worth leveling at all, or are they just exp fodder? Does the shop ever get better stuff added that would be worth saving for?

It's best to wait and plan for your next MTix purchase when it comes around. You never know what you'll get from Gacha and what your taste will lean to. Gaining 2 pieces (or GO to 10) will easily be enough to upgrade one element (possibly two) at a time as not all weapons that can be FLBed for each element need to be FLBed. They just aren't great in large numbers. Also every other Advent or Raid is dropping a weapon that can be FLBed. These should also be a big part of your grid. The Advent after Fluerety gives you an Defender/Assault weapon for your water grid. Getting that and FLBing that is important as it saves your Orichalcon for other FLB upgrades.

The Kaiser Dragoons are the best buy in the shop and you want to plan on buying all six (slowly of course). Other than that I'd look at Tiamat if you don't have her. She's absolutely a ton of points (2700 total) and gives you a very nice Barrier which is useable by all teams in all situations.

After that you might look to finishing some key Eidolons, but you don't really have to. They're all early game (first year or so) Eidolons that aren't META anymore. Unless you need them to complete a full six same element Eidolons to maximize a 100% Eidolon, they're not needed. In fact, you don't have to stay mono-element as even the 100% Eidolons are a base 80% element attack with just your main being the right element.

The accessory shop sucks. There is nothing but the rings. I'd buy them anyways; if you get a really good affix on them you can save it for that healer member in your group (as a set of rings reduces attacks against you), but if they're just basic use them for fodder.

Always always save your Tower tokens and use them for limit breaking the best weapons you have. This will usually be Hime weapons (which have the highest potential attack) and are assault/defender.

Think Michael's spear, Tishtrya's spear, and Nepthys' Hammer. All decent to great weapons that are valuable since they make strong additions to a potential phantom grid.


Dejnov.

So, when I bought the Miracle Ticket and got Sol, I bought too many Star Coins (9800 instead of 5000) so I had a fair amount left over. I figured I'd wait until Amon/Diabolos came out and use my coins to try and pull them. However, I'm really bad with impulse control, and as soon as I saw the garunteed SSR gacha was back up for April, I spent 3000 on it. I received an R water I didn't have before and got a second copy of Set's weapon with a Dragon Eye to go with it. That brought me up to 3 eyes, so now I can awaken someone.

I've already awakened a few Hime in the past, though only one is fully broken:
Gaia (Awakened) lv80
Hades (Awakened) lv60
Uriel (Awakened) lv69
Tyr (Awakened) lv68
Acala (Awakened) lv54

Now, I have a few options, all of whom are fully broken:
Susanoo lv80
Thor lv80
Michael lv76
Ea lv66
Sol lv1

I was thinking of Thor, Michael, or Sol...Or I can try to wait until the next Mtix where I'll grab either Titania or Cu Chulainn (who I'm told will get an Awaken before long)

Thoughts?

Originally Posted by Dejnov

It's best to wait and plan for your next MTix purchase when it comes around. You never know what you'll get from Gacha and what your taste will lean to. Gaining 2 pieces (or GO to 10) will easily be enough to upgrade one element (possibly two) at a time as not all weapons that can be FLBed for each element need to be FLBed. They just aren't great in large numbers. Also every other Advent or Raid is dropping a weapon that can be FLBed. These should also be a big part of your grid. The Advent after Fluerety gives you an Defender/Assault weapon for your water grid. Getting that and FLBing that is important as it saves your Orichalcon for other FLB upgrades.

The Kaiser Dragoons are the best buy in the shop and you want to plan on buying all six (slowly of course). Other than that I'd look at Tiamat if you don't have her. She's absolutely a ton of points (2700 total) and gives you a very nice Barrier which is useable by all teams in all situations.

After that you might look to finishing some key Eidolons, but you don't really have to. They're all early game (first year or so) Eidolons that aren't META anymore. Unless you need them to complete a full six same element Eidolons to maximize a 100% Eidolon, they're not needed. In fact, you don't have to stay mono-element as even the 100% Eidolons are a base 80% element attack with just your main being the right element.

The accessory shop sucks. There is nothing but the rings. I'd buy them anyways; if you get a really good affix on them you can save it for that healer member in your group (as a set of rings reduces attacks against you), but if they're just basic use them for fodder.

Always always save your Tower tokens and use them for limit breaking the best weapons you have. This will usually be Hime weapons (which have the highest potential attack) and are assault/defender.

Think Michael's spear, Tishtrya's spear, and Nepthys' Hammer. All decent to great weapons that are valuable since they make strong additions to a potential phantom grid.


Dejnov.

All right, sounds good. My Waters are probably my fourth-best team, but I'll certainly try to max out that weapon.

I do have a maxed Tiamat, actually. She's been super helpful, that barrier is awesome and even better if I use Hecaton the turn before. So I guess I'll just keep saving for more God Kaisers then, unless Amphisbaena is worth filling out since I only got a couple copies in her event.

I'll definitely prioritize Michael's spear, and Tish too if she's the next best. Don't have Nepthys, but I think I get the idea now.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Wow i allways though the 2% null is for each plat chest. You get the infor from DMM wiki or any trustworthy source ?

My limited experience combined with the limited experience of some other Nutaku players. Those numbers are rough, I haven't kept a tally or anything.

And remember that RNG is going to RNG. For most people who don't MvP, the amount of Phantom weapons tends to be around the same amount as the SSR Hime they've unlocked slots for. Personally, I've unlocked 4+4 and I have 9 Phantom drops. Meanwhile, there's one person with like 3+3 unlocks... and one Phantom drop... yikes.

Originally Posted by Slashley

And remember that RNG is going to RNG. For most people who don't MvP, the amount of Phantom weapons tends to be around the same amount as the SSR Hime they've unlocked slots for.

Wait, you have to MVP to have trigger the 2% chance? And does being the 'discoverer' count?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Wait, you have to MVP to have trigger the 2% chance? And does being the 'discoverer' count?

No, as I said previously, if you MvP, then you effectively triple your Magna droprate. That means that if you literally MvP EVERY time, you'll have 3x SSR Hime unlocked per each Phantom weapon.

As far as I can tell, the Phantom weapon droprate is either 2% for all, or maybe 0.2% per weapon (so technically you can get all nine weapons in a single raid - unknown). Whether you host, MvP or Vice has nothing to do with the Phantom droprate. As far as I can tell, anyway.

Originally Posted by Slashley

My limited experience combined with the limited experience of some other Nutaku players. Those numbers are rough, I haven't kept a tally or anything.

And remember that RNG is going to RNG. For most people who don't MvP, the amount of Phantom weapons tends to be around the same amount as the SSR Hime they've unlocked slots for. Personally, I've unlocked 4+4 and I have 9 Phantom drops. Meanwhile, there's one person with like 3+3 unlocks... and one Phantom drop... yikes.

That ratio seem to be close, I unlocked 8+5 and have 16 phantom drops
Also Bear make a post about rag drop table, and to my experience it seem to be the most reasonable one.

Regarding Null drop rate, base off feedbacks plus my own experience, we kinda deduced that the drop table looks something like this:
There are 3 types of chest: Magna-only chest, Magna/LowChanceWeapon chest, and a rare Weapon-only chest.
Host = 1 Magna chest + 0~1 Magna chest
MVP = 1 Magna/Weapon chest + 0~1 Magna/Weapon chest
Vice = 0~1 Magna chest
All participants = 0~1 Magna chest + 0~1 (Rare) Weapon chest

This means the following things:
- The max number of magna you can get in 1 raid is 5, by being Host + MVP
- The max number of null you can get in 1 raid is 3, by being MVP
- The 'best' scenario would be 3 magna + 3 weapons, at an astronomic chance.
- Hosting only gives you more chances at magna, not weapon.
- MVP gets 2 extra shots at weapon drop.
- The drops you can get as Vice ranges from 2 magna + 1 weapon to absolutely nothing.
- The max number of magna you can get as leech is 1. If you see 2 chest drops, congratulations you got yourself a weapon.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Null weapon

Originally Posted by Slashley

Null weapon

Originally Posted by Many Others

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Okay... there are quite a number of details that I wanna nitpick on but lemme first help you with what you maybe desperate to know: The Lv90 Raids' drop table.

This is base off what I've gathered and with help from both the English discord community for taco side, the Chinese player community and from twitterfeeds by Japanese players for DMM side. Forget the DMM wiki chart. I've already seen too many rare but legit cases that don't fully match the drop table described by the wiki. Anyway here goes:

First you need to know that there are 3 types of chests:
- Chest that only drops Magna
- Chest that drops both Magna and Weapon (Rare)
- a Rare Chest that drops only Weapon

Drop distrubution, ignoring the other not important drops:

All Partiticipants - 0~1 Magna chest + 0~1 Rare Weapon Chest
Host - 1 Magna chest + 0~1 Magna chest
MVP - 1 Magna/Weapon chest + 0~1 Magna/Weapon chest
Vice - 0~1 Magna chest

This means the following things:
- The max number of magna you can get in 1 raid is 5, by being Host + MVP
- The max number of null you can get in 1 raid is 3, by being MVP (w/o the need of being the host)
- The theoratical 'best case' scenario would be 3 magna + 3 weapons, at an astronomic chance.
- Hosting only gives you more chances at magna, not weapon.
- MVP gets 2 extra shots at weapon drop.
- The drops you can get as Vice ranges from 2 magna + 1 weapon to absolutely nothing.
- The max number of magna you can get as leech is 1. If you see 2 chest drops, congratulations you got yourself a weapon.


The drop %. You can just more or less forget about trying to figure out an accurate number given the way drops are distributed. We can't even figure out the question of whether the chance of Magna/Weapon chest dropping a weapon is the same as the Rare Weapon chest itself dropping. Just keep grinding and hope for the best, and 1 year from now (if taco is still alive that is) you will be able to buy the weapons (of your choice) off the new 'Raid Medal' shop.


..... Annnd ninja'd by nut

Originally Posted by Bear

Okay... there are quite a number of details that I wanna nitpick on but lemme first help you with what you maybe desperate to know: The Lv90 Raids' drop table.

This is base off what I've gathered and with help from both the English discord community for taco side, the Chinese player community and from twitterfeeds by Japanese players for DMM side. Forget the DMM wiki chart. I've already seen too many rare but legit cases that don't fully match the drop table described by the wiki. Anyway here goes:

First you need to know that there are 3 types of chests:
- Chest that only drops Magna
- Chest that drops both Magna and Weapon (Rare)
- a Rare Chest that drops only Weapon

Drop distrubution, ignoring the other not important drops:

All Partiticipants - 0~1 Magna chest + 0~1 Rare Weapon Chest
Host - 1 Magna chest + 0~1 Magna chest
MVP - 1 Magna/Weapon chest + 0~1 Magna/Weapon chest
Vice - 0~1 Magna chest

This means the following things:
- The max number of magna you can get in 1 raid is 5, by being Host + MVP
- The max number of null you can get in 1 raid is 3, by being MVP (w/o the need of being the host)
- The theoratical 'best case' scenario would be 3 magna + 3 weapons, at an astronomic chance.
- Hosting only gives you more chances at magna, not weapon.
- MVP gets 2 extra shots at weapon drop.
- The drops you can get as Vice ranges from 2 magna + 1 weapon to absolutely nothing.
- The max number of magna you can get as leech is 1. If you see 2 chest drops, congratulations you got yourself a weapon.


The drop %. You can just more or less forget about trying to figure out an accurate number given the way drops are distributed. We can't even figure out the question of whether the chance of Magna/Weapon chest dropping a weapon is the same as the Rare Weapon chest itself dropping. Just keep grinding and hope for the best, and 1 year from now (if taco is still alive that is) you will be able to buy the weapons (of your choice) off the new 'Raid Medal' shop.


..... Annnd ninja'd by nut

Ahihi, I happen to see your post in discord some days ago.

All of my drop fall into it but, I have seen some screenshot of 2 phantom, but is there any of 3 phantom drop?

Originally Posted by Bear

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Drop distrubution, ignoring the other not important drops:

All Partiticipants - 0~1 Magna chest + 0~1 Rare Weapon Chest
Host - 1 Magna chest + 0~1 Magna chest
MVP - 1 Magna/Weapon chest + 0~1 Magna/Weapon chest
Vice - 0~1 Magna chest
--

The problem with this is, it doesn't even try to give SOME kind of referendum to what 0~1 means. For example, looking at this, it looks like Vice could be worth your time, which it is not. It is far more useful to give a rough idea on the droprates, such as ~10% on Vice and ~50% for all.

The interesting thing here is that MvP supposedly gets a second chance at Phantom weapons, but the rate seems really low.