Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Slashley

Doesn't matter. The Awakening priority doesn't change. Remember, not all Awakenings are equal - for some Hime, Awakening does very little and for some, it completely changes them.

You can choose to ignore Gaia for now of course, but the objective priority doesn't change.The encyclopedia in Sanahtlig's toolbox gives you a quick peek on all the upcoming SSRs. There doesn't seem to be limited editions for months, though they might decide to re-run previous limiteds.

And reminder that you shouldn't expect to find anything in Nutaku's Jewel gachas. The rate up is a lie. And nowadays the banners are only up for a couple of days before they swap to some old Hime campaigns, so you can't even farm the event for extra Jewels.

That may be true, but a team isn't defined by one character usually. Gaia AW does look amazing, but she's only one hime. Even if she handles the defense, the offense I have right now probably wouldn't be any more effective than with her unawakened. But I'll still keep that in mind.

Hmm, looks like exactly two months, with 5 events between now and summer. Should be able to get plenty of jewels between now and then so long as I don't fall to other temptations. But Lugh also comes immediately before summer, too...
And rate up is always a lie, no matter the gacha. Of course relying on free rolls is unlikely, but it's still something.

Ok, i've been seeing it thrown around here and there, so i'ma go ahead and ask:

1. when u say gaia does good with a "lance" team u mean her favorite weapon right?

2. does hime's get some type of boost for using there favorite weapons in the grid? if so how much if u know? (don't think i've seen anything about it in sana's guide when i read it last time.)

Originally Posted by Argo

So a team of Tish, Michael, Sol, and Athena would be pretty solid? Now it's even more tempting... Who would be dropped for Lugh, if anyone?
Even so, they'll both be on future banners and will always be in the pool, whereas summers won't. How long until the next summer banner, anyway? That might decide whether or not I use my jewels now and just start building up again.

Just to clarify, what Dejnov explained is Lugh's skillset, not LAthena's.
LAthena is a tank that can cover for 3 turns, improve her own defense + dark resist and has a 25% dmg cut ever 3 turns for the party. For now she is a solid protector for the likes of Vishnu who need time to wind up so they can go nuts. Later down the line she gets some improvements which make her arguably one of the best tanks in the game.

Originally Posted by omelletetherice

Ok, i've been seeing it thrown around here and there, so i'ma go ahead and ask:

2. does hime's get some type of boost for using there favorite weapons in the grid? if so how much if u know? (don't think i've seen anything about it in sana's guide when i read it last time.)

If you use a weapon in a grid that is the favored weapon of a Hime in your team, she gains additional 20% of the weapons stats as bonus. It is a min-maxing-option if you want to absolutly optimize.

Originally Posted by Itoshira

If you use a weapon in a grid that is the favored weapon of a Hime in your team, she gains additional 20% of the weapons stats as bonus. It is a min-maxing-option if you want to absolutly optimize.

so if a weapon gives 100hp n 1000atk, if its hime favorite weapon she would get 120hp n 1200atk. if so that's pretty neat. thx ito fa the info and quick reply.

Aye, it gets really good in Null Grids since you gain a massive amount of extra stats from it and starts to really show the difference. Obviously it is not always super practical to focus completly on it, but if the Hime is luckily one you wanna use anyways, she is gonna be a happy girl

Also note, this also counts for Souls. There is only one exception: D'Art doesnt get double the bonus having 2 times Guns noted. Every other Soul though gets bonus from both weapon types they favor.

Originally Posted by Itoshira

Aye, it gets really good in Null Grids since you gain a massive amount of extra stats from it and starts to really show the difference. Obviously it is not always super practical to focus completly on it, but if the Hime is luckily one you wanna use anyways, she is gonna be a happy girl

Also note, this also counts for Souls. There is only one exception: D'Art doesnt get double the bonus having 2 times Guns noted. Every other Soul though gets bonus from both weapon types they favor.

dang, poor d'art. alright with this i think i'm caught up on everything i need to know. now if only rng would be nicer to me when it comes to those phantom weapons...

Originally Posted by Argo

Man...I wasted 6k jewels out of my savings for the next summer banner when the jewel gacha was light-boosted in a pathetic hope for Managarmr, SSRtemis, or something...and now here comes Athena, whom my dick is urging me to spend my last 3k on. But...summer...must resist...!
How is Athena? I think I've heard that Lugh is the next light I should try to get, but I'm curious.

Originally Posted by Dejnov

She works really well in a Lance team (she drops a lance also- assault/elaborate). Her first ability is a C-frame ATK down 20% 7T cooldown, her second ability gives her a free attack and up to +20Burst Generation 7T cooldown, and her third ability refreshes her second ability for the cost of 15% of health and can be once per turn. Her passive is +100% healing.

She's quite literally a burst machine, but needs someone like Sol to keep her moving. But between her, Tish, and Michael that's almost every Hime a lancer, with lance drops meaning that it's really straight forward to aim for a phantom lance grid for endgame content there.

Originally Posted by Argo

So a team of Tish, Michael, Sol, and Athena would be pretty solid? Now it's even more tempting... Who would be dropped for Lugh, if anyone?
Even so, they'll both be on future banners and will always be in the pool, whereas summers won't. How long until the next summer banner, anyway? That might decide whether or not I use my jewels now and just start building up again.

Oi oi, hold your ponies right there. You guys' questions and answers are a complete mess of misunderstandings.

> Argo asks about Athena, but mentions Lugh
> Dejnov explains Lugh's skill kit
> Argo appears to have mistaken it for Athena's skill kit



Now to give you the proper answers:

Light Athena
Burst effect - Self 3.5k Heal
Abi1 - Cover + Self 20% Dark Res for 3T, costs 10% HP to use. 5CD
Abi2 - Self Endurance, a new buff that is basically the Defense version of Pride. The lower her HP, the stronger it is. Lasts 3T, 5CD
Abi3 - Party 25% Dmg cut for 1T.3CD
Passive - Stackable Burst Power up upon Dmg Received.

^ Current version on taco.

As it stands now, she's your typical tank that is good at mitigating general dmg with high coverage + low CD in a long game. Her Endurance buff at the moment is kind of lacking which makes her not ideal for dealing with extreme dmg. Her burst power passive hardly makes any difference to her dmg so it's generally ignored. Near the end of the year she will receive a rebalance that not only greatly buff her Endurance's effect to the point that she's viable for bleeding edge end game content, she also gets a 1-time-only Fortitude buff right at the beginning of battle for insurance. It's up to you whether you want to get her now, but note that she won't be very good until long time from now.

And some fixes on Dejnov's layout of Lugh's skill kit.

Lugh
Burst effect - Power up on her Abi2 for the next 2T
Abi1 - AoE dmg + 20% Def down (C Frame) for 180s. 7CD
Abi2 - Single nuke (400k cap) + Self 20BG. When Powered Up, Dmg cap increases from 400k to 700k + BG increases from 20 to 30. 7CD
Abi3 - Resets Abi2 CD. Costs 15% HP to use. 1CD
Passive - +100% Healing Received (Applies after Ascension. aka double heal.)

^ TLDR; Lugh just hits hard and fast. Currently one of the fastest hime if not the fastest, at the price of needing to constantly put her at risk of being at low health. Either take the path of 'Healing partner' OR 'High risk high reward'. OR you can just be like me, abuse her dmg + build burst for the team and then let her die. Or vice versa, have somebody die and let her come up and she will be able to catch up almost instantly.

Practical example:


If you wanna play Light, you'd want to save for Lugh.

Originally Posted by Bear

Oi oi, hold your ponies right there. You guys' questions and answers are a complete mess of misunderstandings.

> Argo asks about Athena, but mentions Lugh
> Dejnov explains Lugh's skill kit
> Argo appears to have mistaken it for Athena's skill kit



^ TLDR; Lugh just hits hard and fast. Currently one of the fastest hime if not the fastest, at the price of needing to constantly put her at risk of being at low health. Either take the path of 'Healing partner' OR 'High risk high reward'. OR you can just be like me, abuse her dmg + build burst for the team and then let her die. Or vice versa, have somebody die and let her come up and she will be able to catch up almost instantly.

If you wanna play Light, you'd want to save for Lugh.

Hehehehe... I just heard him asking about Lugh (which I'm nutting over... can't wait) and thought I'd tell him about her.

totally ignored the whole Athena discussion...





Dejnov.

I'm trying to understand what makes kaiser dragoons supposedly so awesome. Its passive is useless and therefore should never be used as main nor support, which means you won't access its awesome active ability for 8 turns. If you AAB a lot, its only appeal is its high stats, but at LB0, its stats are roughly those of an average event MLB eidolon, and even at LB1, it is roughly the same as Tiamat (also available from shop for like a third of the price.)

Obviously, if I can MLB a kaiser, it easily becomes the best sub eidolon with its awesome stats and awesome active, but MLB-ing without dumb luck from gacha seems to be extremely expensive - only 1 copy from eidolon shop for 10k orbs (basically cost of 1 draconic eye), and then you either mtix additional copies or limit break using eidolon equivalent of pink brick, which costs 20 draconic eyes. I don't think I will ever have 4 mtix or 80 eyes to spare for MLB, which leads to my questions:

1. Unless you get lucky and got at least one copy of the kaiser you want from gacha, is it even worth spending 10k orbs for one?
2. Are there non-draconic eyes non-mtix ways of LB-ing SSR eidolons? For weapons, you can get pink bricks from tower medals. Is there something similar for eidolons that I am not aware of?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I'm trying to understand what makes kaiser dragoons supposedly so awesome. Its passive is useless and therefore should never be used as main nor support, which means you won't access its awesome active ability for 8 turns. If you AAB a lot, its only appeal is its high stats, but at LB0, its stats are roughly those of an average event MLB eidolon, and even at LB1, it is roughly the same as Tiamat (also available from shop for like a third of the price.)

Obviously, if I can MLB a kaiser, it easily becomes the best sub eidolon with its awesome stats and awesome active, but MLB-ing without dumb luck from gacha seems to be extremely expensive - only 1 copy from eidolon shop for 10k orbs (basically cost of 1 draconic eye), and then you either mtix additional copies or limit break using eidolon equivalent of pink brick, which costs 20 draconic eyes. I don't think I will ever have 4 mtix or 80 eyes to spare for MLB, which leads to my questions:

1. Unless you get lucky and got at least one copy of the kaiser you want from gacha, is it even worth spending 10k orbs for one?
2. Are there non-draconic eyes non-mtix ways of LB-ing SSR eidolons? For weapons, you can get pink bricks from tower medals. Is there something similar for eidolons that I am not aware of?

Getting additional copies is definitely the long game and something that will probably happen as needed. There is something similar to bricks for Eidolons (called Argentum in the draconic eye shops) which will have an event starting in July/August of this year to earn as we are earning bricks.

The main reason to get the Eidolon is totally for that Active. It's a straight S-frame Element Up Attack so that it, in most cases, adds straight to your damage capability. The same thing with the damage cut against your element. It's Element Resist which is additive with damage cut (and is not in the same frame as defense up), which means it's normally a multiplicative damage cut, additive with other sources of damage cuts, and, with other damage cuts like Joan, the ability to reduce all potential damage to zero damage taken. A lot of overdrive from high level content are damage done or damage reduced checks. Things like the Kaiser Dragoon become important to transition to high level content.

Dejnov.