Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Slashley

Union events are miserable if you're not in a good Union.

If you're in a good Union, everyone works together to spend AP on farming Grails from Lilims (I'd say only farm Standard, it's roughly the same amount of Grails per AP for a fraction of the effort). This gets every 400 points to spend daily on buffs - usually double damage and double HP plus two other stats.

I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone address the fact that this piece of advice is garbage, and a lie.

Standard Lilim Costs 15AP
Expert Lilim Costs 25AP

Equal AP point is 75AP, which is 3 Expert and 5 Standard.

Standard has dropped between 1-3 Grails from what I have run. Expert has dropped 4-5 on every run I have done.

So when you do the math, Standard drops between 5-15, and Expert 12-15 for the same amount of AP. You have a much better average in Expert, making it the better one to run.

If AP weren't an issue (IE you are using HEs like crazy, or have unlimited AP) and your limiting factor was time, then standard would be the way to go, because it can be completed faster and therefore your GPM (Grails per Minute) would be higher.

Anyways...It always bugs me to see misinformation being thrown around as fact. Crunch the numbers and you can see Expert is better. However, if you're not strong enough for expert, then by all means run standard until you are.

Originally Posted by SlickFenix

I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone address the fact that this piece of advice is garbage, and a lie.

Standard Lilim Costs 15AP
Expert Lilim Costs 25AP

Equal AP point is 75AP, which is 3 Expert and 5 Standard.

Standard has dropped between 1-3 Grails from what I have run. Expert has dropped 4-5 on every run I have done.

So when you do the math, Standard drops between 5-15, and Expert 12-15 for the same amount of AP. You have a much better average in Expert, making it the better one to run.

If AP weren't an issue (IE you are using HEs like crazy, or have unlimited AP) and your limiting factor was time, then standard would be the way to go, because it can be completed faster and therefore your GPM (Grails per Minute) would be higher.

Anyways...It always bugs me to see misinformation being thrown around as fact. Crunch the numbers and you can see Expert is better. However, if you're not strong enough for expert, then by all means run standard until you are.

Yea expert seems to drop a guaranteed 5 grails when you MVP, every single time. I don't think I've seen less than 5 grails on it at all, in all my runs so far (except for possibly the cpl times I joined someone else's and maybe vice-mvp'ed and got 4.) However, I've never run a standard yet, so I didn't know whether to refute his info or not.

Last Union Event, it didn't seem to have the guaranteed 5 grails every expert, but in this one it does, which is nice because you're basically done with your grails quota simply running 3 exp lilims per day.