Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

Of course, if your Soul is your bottleneck for Bursts this won't change that.

That's the problem, the Soul is your Bottleneck the majority of the time. Apart from Arthur and Morgan which no one really uses (though we'll see Morgan after her future buff) , Souls don't have self burst gauge buffs, while it will be really standard for your first and sometimes second Kami slots to have one of any sort. Double attack buff is slightly better than Attack up as a buff, but I wouldn't rate an SR with DA buff higher than a SSR with bad buffs, assuming those are already leveled.



As for the Standard vs Expert Lilim comparison, they use to have a close Grail average drop, but it seems they changed the drop rates this event and Expert has indeed become reasonably better

Originally Posted by SlickFenix

I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone address the fact that this piece of advice is garbage, and a lie.

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Standard has dropped between 1-3 Grails from what I have run. Expert has dropped 4-5 on every run I have done.

So when you do the math, Standard drops between 5-15, and Expert 12-15 for the same amount of AP. You have a much better average in Expert, making it the better one to run.

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Anyways...It always bugs me to see misinformation being thrown around as fact. Crunch the numbers and you can see Expert is better. However, if you're not strong enough for expert, then by all means run standard until you are.

The numbers I use is 1-3 for Standard, and 2-5 per Expert. So 2 average for Standard and 3.5 for Expert.

2 / 15 = 0.13 Grails/AP
3.5 / 25 = 0.14 Grails/AP (~8% increase over Standard)
(Or your assumption, 4.5 / 25 = 0.18 Grails/AP (~38% increase over Standard))

And thus, we can crunch the numbers and see that running Expert is a complete fucking waste of time. So right back at you, sir misinformation. I leave the burden of proof to you, prove that Expert can no longer drop 2-3 Grails and you'll be correct. It's not like I've done any since Pride's first run... which is what, five months ago? But nobody has corrected me on the forums, and to this day I see Union members cry in Discord about getting two Grails per Expert.

Though, Sfay and VeryVoodoo did just now say so, and they're saying specifically this event.

Originally Posted by Sfay

That's the problem, the Soul is your Bottleneck the majority of the time. Apart from Arthur and Morgan which no one really uses (though we'll see Morgan after her future buff) , Souls don't have self burst gauge buffs --

To be noted is that Mordred has combo+ passive, which is yet another good reason to use her.

Originally Posted by Slashley

To be noted is that Mordred has combo+ passive, which is yet another good reason to use her.

I also equip a weapon (Water SSR sword) on Mordred that adds Triple attack chance as a Burst effect. Once she Bursts, she's frequently not the bottleneck. Those with single-target Burst gauge buffs can also shift the bottleneck off the Soul.

I'm pretty sure Expert drops work like this now:

2 Grails for participating
+ 1 Grail for starting
+ 2 Grails for MVP and 1 Grail for vice-MVP

Therefore, it's impossible to get only 2 Grails from an Expert you started, even if you don't MVP nor vice-MVP (and most old players should be able to MVP easily and get 5 Grails anyways...)

Originally Posted by Sfay

I'm pretty sure Expert drops work like this now:

2 Grails for participating
+ 1 Grail for starting
+ 2 Grails for MVP and 1 Grail for vice-MVP

Therefore, it's impossible to get only 2 Grails from an Expert you started, even if you don't MVP nor vice-MVP (and most old players should be able to MVP easily and get 5 Grails anyways...)

I soloed two Expert Lilims, and both gave me five.

Too small of a sample size to say for sure, but it would be about freaking time they fixed that design oversight. I'll gladly take ~38% extra Grails any day.

I have a sample size of about ~40 experts run solo so far on this event, just on AAB. Every single one has dropped me 5 grails. I guess the other guy was angry you were giving info without actually testing it, cause you were wrong after all.

Originally Posted by VeryVoodoo

I guess the other guy was angry you were giving info without actually testing it, cause you were wrong after all.

Well if Nutaku just arbitrarily changes things without telling anyone, in principle everything we know about the game is potentially obsolete with each update.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

Well if Nutaku just arbitrarily changes things without telling anyone, in principle everything we know about the game is potentially obsolete with each update.

And knowing Nutaku, that's actually a pretty regular occurrence for them.
They do so many sneak updates/changes every patch/maint. that it drives me & my union mates bonkers sometimes. And their patch notes are always lacking in the details every single time.

As an example, we didn't find out the wind Lilim had been patched to have the 90%↑ of other lilims from its initial 70%↑ until only about a week ago. And apparently that had been changed for quite a while now. With not a single word in any patch notes ever.

**Edit**: And often times, the things they do end up mentioning in patch notes, like fixing the assist abilities for certain himes recently (since some of them weren't actually working/being taken into effect), is because a bunch of us sent in reports to them prior about that exact issue. So unless they get prompted about things in tickets prior for their patch notes to reflect, they never seem to divulge details on other unprompted changes they do make. Anyway, it's a pretty good reminder that things aren't always set in stone. Changes are constantly being made, so it's prudent to always keep testing things to see if they actually are the same or not. :>