Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Slashley

While true, Sanahtlig makes guides on the idea that people DON'T need to spend 16+ hours a day on KH like you and I do.
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he simply doesn't see the value in spending so much time for grids that'll never be able support the kinds of teams one would hope from that element.

That's actually another common misconception I see thrown around occasionally. You definitely don't need to spend 16+ hours a day on KH (I do simply because I like wasting time at work ) to be able to collect & MLB wpns from events. I know because I've seen people in my union do so just spending 2-3 hours a day. They're able to MLB the SSR wpns and normally even 1 to 2 of the SR wpns. Now gem'chaing to SL those wpns up is a different story and does take time, but at least they'll have the choice of being able to do so in the future. Whereas I pity those that may've actually been dedicated to do so, that are then maybe guided to skip weapons not for their main element, because they're told they don't matter, and then they're hit with end-game content later. Hell forget the later content, I see some ppl who decided to only focus 1 element/grid already unable/struggling with some of the current content even with their main grids maxed or nearly maxed (120%+ assault for example).

Also hime compositions can change over time. There's always the possibility of jewels slowly filling up your rosters, especially if you play long enough while max'ing all attainable jewels from every daily/quest/event/crossover/login etc... I know this, because I'm living proof of it. For the first 69 lvls, I didn't have a single SSR hime to my name. I now have 11, and I've only ever bought 2 things in this game so far, 1 miracle ticket, and the $30 kami guaranteed ticket (which luckily gave me 2! SSR himes, haha) that came with that 1st miracle. Anyway imagine how funny it would be, if someone lucked out over the course of a few weeks and suddenly got 2 or 3 cores SSRs, but alas they skipped farming all those pesky wpns for that element because it wasn't their main. Now they're permanently behind, or perhaps even gimped irreparably. But hey, as I myself said above, I'd guesstimate around 90% or even more of the game's population to be pretty casual, so none of this really matters for them. However, one method definitely leads to a stronger path, and it's always tiresome when the deniers claim otherwise or ask stupid things like why it matters.

Originally Posted by VeryVoodoo

That's actually another common misconception I see thrown around occasionally. You definitely don't need to spend 16+ hours a day on KH (I do simply because I like wasting time at work ) to be able to collect & MLB wpns from events.--

Nobody said a thing about collecting weapons or Eidolons, though.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

You're going to have to explain how this would be the optimal route (least time/money investment) for a typical player. I've yet to see a good argument for it, especially if you only have SSRs for 1 or 2 elements.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

But why do this when you can put in similar effort and make a team that can clear 5/6 elements instead of just one?


No, it's not. It's about making the best use of limited resources, including time. Just because a strategy works doesn't mean it's optimal.

Let me rephrase the question. Under what circumstances is it better to invest equally in teams for all 6 elements vs. investing primarily in one? And under what circumstances is it worse? In what timeframes?

Originally Posted by Sora

LOL

(w)ww.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro_PSGuMBUU
by nonsensei!
Well, in my opinion his damage is great *-*

I am a new player and my main team is Dark. My only SSR Hime at the moment is Dark Amaterasu and I will focus on this team at first.
Maybe a Veteran who has a complete SSR Grid for his main element would focus on other elements but how strong will be that team if he/she doesen't get the -50% Attack & Def with the other elements?
How much damage will his/her team make with just elemental advantaged in comparison to a team with complete Debuffs and maybe a Burst Build with Shingen?

Originally Posted by Slashley

Nobody said a thing about collecting weapons or Eidolons, though.

Well now I think that you're maybe just being willfully obtuse? Otherwise what's the extra effort that the mono-preachers are talking about other than collecting & mlb'ing wpns for every grid?

So on another topic:
Remember the ousei/vigorous weapon skill? Do more damage when your remaining % HP is higher? Apparently that's not added to assault (nor element, for that matter). It's a % bonus to damage (dunno how it'd interact with other otherBuffs type stuff). The large version at lv 20 is about +15.5% damage at full HP. The small version at lv 20 is about +8.5% damage at full HP.

Originally Posted by VeryVoodoo

-- Otherwise what's the extra effort that the mono-preachers are talking about other than collecting & mlb'ing wpns for every grid?

Didn't you answer that yourself?

Originally Posted by VeryVoodoo

-- Now gem'chaing to SL those wpns up is a different story and does take time, --

A "grid" is more than just a bundle of SSR and SR weapons. Gathering them up is not that hard, although raid events are a pain in the ass if you don't get lucky with Gacha. Thankfully, that's getting fixed the very next raid event.

Anyway.
The next step is leveling them up - and this is where the weeks and weeks of the extra hours comes into play.

I don't think Sanathlig said anything about you not gathering weapons. Let's take a step back.

This is what started this:

Originally Posted by Sora

-- and in a Thunder Team you need Sol because we don't have a SSR Thunder healer at the moment.

Originally Posted by VeryVoodoo

If you're new like that person is, then yea you'd probably need healing because your dmg is low to begin with. For ppl with grids, that's not really true. -- unless you're going in without ele adv or something (which is then more on you rather than a fault of the element).

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

You're going to have to explain how this would be the optimal route (least time/money investment) for a typical player. I've yet to see a good argument for it, especially if you only have SSRs for 1 or 2 elements.

As far as I can see, there wasn't anything about skipping events entirely at any point. That was just you shooting off a tangent into a random direction.

The point is, for those who don't want to spend a ridiculous amount of time on the game - not something I want to do, but hey? - they can focus on just one element and be able to use that on all or at least 5/6 elements. As far as time/effort goes, that's by far optimal, wouldn't you think? Of course, putting in six times the effort WILL make you more powerful. Although this gain is largely gimped by the fact that you're not going to have a proper team for these other five grids. Somebody who has collected all the Thunder SSRs event weapons is certainly NOT going to be able to clear Water Accessory T4 with just random SRs if the weapons are like slvl5 or 10...

And speaking of going off random tangents, god. I'm not going to untangle that mess you two made in that other topic... both you were going all over the place.

Originally Posted by Slashley

And speaking of going off random tangents, god. I'm not going to untangle that mess you two made in that other topic... both you were going all over the place.

To lewd! Be careful with those statements.