Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

I think you're selling Cthulhu a bit short there.

Yes, Cthulhu's C frame misses, but with 6% Affliction it's not bad. With 6% Affliction and debuff-, it's reliable, though not 100%.
Orb removal is very powerful, though also very unreliable.
And finally, Cthulhu has Charm. A very potent one at that. Sadly, again, unreliable.

The combination of these three make Cthulhu a very potent package. Sure she might not deliver the best she can every time, but hardly ever will there be a time when all three miss.

Originally Posted by Slashley

I think you're selling Cthulhu a bit short there.

Yes, Cthulhu's C frame misses, but with 6% Affliction it's not bad. With 6% Affliction and debuff-, it's reliable, though not 100%.
Orb removal is very powerful, though also very unreliable.
And finally, Cthulhu has Charm. A very potent one at that. Sadly, again, unreliable.

The combination of these three make Cthulhu a very potent package. Sure she might not deliver the best she can every time, but hardly ever will there be a time when all three miss.

That wasn't my intention, sorry.

My point is that it's Ryu-Oh > Cthullu.

Wolf Maanaf offers 30% Water RST down, what also means that Ryu-Oh will land her BP much easier.
Ofc Cthullu's buffs will also land.

However as you can see Ryu-Oh is the better choice.

Furthermore new player will have, starting with the next advent, the opportunity to get old raid Himes.
Getting Gabriel or Atlanta. You can reach with both def cap if you have Cthullu + Gabriel or Ryu-Oh+Atlanta.

However I would go with Ryu-Oh instead because, like I said before, she is the better choice with Wolf-Maanaf.
Cthulhu + Wolf Maanaf isn't that bad but if you have both then Ryu-Oh please. Attack down + BP will save your ass more than Cthulhu later.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

That wasn't my intention, sorry.

My point is that it's Ryu-Oh > Cthullu.

Wolf Maanaf offers 30% Water RST down, what also means that Ryu-Oh will land her BP much easier.
Ofc Cthullu's buffs will also land.

However as you can see Ryu-Oh is the better choice.

Furthermore new player will have, starting with the next advent, the opportunity to get old raid Himes.
Getting Gabriel or Atlanta. You can reach with both def cap if you have Cthullu + Gabriel or Ryu-Oh+Atlanta.

However I would go with Ryu-Oh instead because, like I said before, she is the better choice with Wolf-Maanaf.
Cthulhu + Wolf Maanaf isn't that bad but if you have both then Ryu-Oh please. Attack down + BP will save your ass more than Cthulhu later.

I think you're missing a few things here.

This needs stressing IMO: Cthulhu's C frame is AoE. Hits everything. Already helps out a ton in AQ4 trash stages, but with more strong multi-mob stages in the future (GO, tower, AQ5), I'd like to think her value increases along with the updates.

Atalanta is good. For C frame. But that's all she's good for. Again my opinion, but she's a worse C frame slave than Cthulhu is. Lower burst multiplier, and literally only one debuff to show off.

Ryu-Oh's BP is very risky IMO. And not just because of the miss rate. Recharge takes 10 turns, and for a 180 second debuff, that's really not a lot of time when you face bosses that are strong enough to force you to refresh the debuff. If the server lags, you WILL suffer for it. And Nutaku server lags a fuck ton. Even worse on raids.

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

Ryu-Oh's BP is very risky IMO. And not just because of the miss rate. Recharge takes 10 turns, and for a 180 second debuff, that's really not a lot of time when you face bosses that are strong enough to force you to refresh the debuff. If the server lags, you WILL suffer for it. And Nutaku server lags a fuck ton. Even worse on raids.

I've failed to meet Ryu-Oh's 18s/turn timer quite a lot, yeah.

And on that note, Vohu Manah's debuff is just 120s, giving you a 20s/turn timer. You can get extra time on Ryu-Oh's timer by having it be the very last thing that you cast, but since you're going to want to use Water res- first... ... well. I guess you can always just forgo the debuff- aspect of Water res- and use it last.

I'd say it's closer to the truth that Vohu Manah's timer is 17s/turn, and Ryu-Oh's BP is 20s/turn. Compare this to the quite standard 180s/8 turns = 22.5s/turn.

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

I think you're missing a few things here.

This needs stressing IMO: Cthulhu's C frame is AoE. Hits everything. Already helps out a ton in AQ4 trash stages, but with more strong multi-mob stages in the future (GO, tower, AQ5), I'd like to think her value increases along with the updates.

Atalanta is good. For C frame. But that's all she's good for. Again my opinion, but she's a worse C frame slave than Cthulhu is. Lower burst multiplier, and literally only one debuff to show off.

Ryu-Oh's BP is very risky IMO. And not just because of the miss rate. Recharge takes 10 turns, and for a 180 second debuff, that's really not a lot of time when you face bosses that are strong enough to force you to refresh the debuff. If the server lags, you WILL suffer for it. And Nutaku server lags a fuck ton. Even worse on raids.

You know that in tower some monster have a high debuff rst?
You don't want to have Cthulhu their but more damage dealer.
However for tower you want to have as many Kamihimes as you can for ele adv.
Even Ea....

Furthermore if you use Wolf Maanaf & Ryu-Oh, you cover almost everything. Then you can just use Snipper with Shingen if you need AoE def down.
Furthermore for GO you have to run some missions with a SR team anyway.
Belphegor is also a good solution for AoE def down, if you don't want to use snipper.

Sorry but 10T are enough, unless it's a raid with a lot of people, to use BP again, if you know what you are doing and don't waste your time.

So no, it's not risky.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You know that in tower some monster have a high debuff rst?
You don't want to have Cthulhu their but more damage dealer.
However for tower you want to have as many Kamihimes as you can for ele adv.
Even Ea....

Furthermore if you use Wolf Maanaf & Ryu-Oh, you cover almost everything. Then you can just use Snipper with Shingen if you need AoE def down.
Furthermore for GO you have to run some missions with a SR team anyway.
Belphegor is also a good solution for AoE def down, if you don't want to use snipper.

Sorry but 10T are enough, unless it's a raid with a lot of people, to use BP again, if you know what you are doing and don't waste your time.

So no, it's not risky.

The AoE doesn’t apply. I shall accept.

The new water res- hime is something I don’t think applies. 10 months is more than enough time for the context to not apply anymore (the context is that a newer player is asking for advice). That’s a point I feel you miss, your advice shoots too far ahead into the meta without consideration for what the current player has. That said, I do concede that from a “if you have everything”standpoint, Ryu-Oh fares better.

If you run GO with an SR only team... why is Ryu-Oh gonna be in there?

With regards to BP, if you know what you’re doing, sure. 180 seconds might be enough time for you to scrape by. Remember the periods of lag post-maintenance in even advents though? Let’s say it happens in GO (god forbid it does). You’re gonna have one hell of a fun time. Not to mention you’re going to have to find ways to stall for her BP in multi-stage quests (again, AQ) if you kill waves that require BP, but die before 10 turns.

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

The AoE doesn’t apply. I shall accept.

The new water res- hime is something I don’t think applies. 10 months is more than enough time for the context to not apply anymore (the context is that a newer player is asking for advice). That’s a point I feel you miss, your advice shoots too far ahead into the meta without consideration for what the current player has. That said, I do concede that from a “if you have everything”standpoint, Ryu-Oh fares better.

Tbh I didn't even know that some newbie was asking a question.
I just read that someone was saying Cthullu is overall the better choice than Ryu-Oh.
Ofc that's not true anymore and I wanted to correct it.
Yes, it's my fault that I didn't read what the context was about.

If you main water, then yes you should use Ryu-Oh over Cthullu later. Otherwise you souldn't care about it now.
My point was about Cthullu > Ryu-Oh, nothing more.
Like you said that'll be the case in 8 months, not 10. Still before your 5th Miracle Ticket.

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

If you run GO with an SR only team... why is Ryu-Oh gonna be in there?

Why would you?
I forgot to mention, that you want to have Atalanta and Belphegor for this challange and run with Ambush.

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

With regards to BP, if you know what you’re doing, sure. 180 seconds might be enough time for you to scrape by. Remember the periods of lag post-maintenance in even advents though? Let’s say it happens in GO (god forbid it does). You’re gonna have one hell of a fun time. Not to mention you’re going to have to find ways to stall for her BP in multi-stage quests (again, AQ) if you kill waves that require BP, but die before 10 turns.

I don't play on nutaku.
For GO you don't need BP, if you do enough damage.
To have BP is always nice and ofc it's always BP > Orb remove.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I don't play on nutaku.

Actually, don't mind if I derail this, since I think the question has been answered.

Is it better if I stick to Nutaku, or is switching to DMM KP better in the long run?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

That wasn't my intention, sorry.

My point is that it's Ryu-Oh > Cthullu.

Wolf Maanaf offers 30% Water RST down, what also means that Ryu-Oh will land her BP much easier.
Ofc Cthullu's buffs will also land.

However as you can see Ryu-Oh is the better choice.

Furthermore new player will have, starting with the next advent, the opportunity to get old raid Himes.
Getting Gabriel or Atlanta. You can reach with both def cap if you have Cthullu + Gabriel or Ryu-Oh+Atlanta.

However I would go with Ryu-Oh instead because, like I said before, she is the better choice with Wolf-Maanaf.
Cthulhu + Wolf Maanaf isn't that bad but if you have both then Ryu-Oh please. Attack down + BP will save your ass more than Cthulhu later.

Atlanta is current raid hime actualy so no one need to wait for that ticket. As for Maanaf or how she is called correctly - she is amazing, only problem that her debuff is only 120 sec and requires 30 burst to spend. And about Ctulhu (i have her on other account) - her skills are very unstable with no Vof at least, especialy orb drain. Only attack down almost always hits, so i guess that Ruy-Oh is better with Atlanta for c-frame def down.

Originally Posted by Mraktar

Atlanta is current raid hime actualy so no one need to wait for that ticket. As for Maanaf or how she is called correctly - she is amazing, only problem that her debuff is only 120 sec and requires 30 burst to spend. And about Ctulhu (i have her on other account) - her skills are very unstable with no Vof at least, especialy orb drain. Only attack down almost always hits, so i guess that Ruy-Oh is better with Atlanta for c-frame def down.

IIRC you get 30BG immediately if you combine Abi 1 and 2. Therefore it isn't a big deal.
120 sec isn't a problem because the CD is 6T. Should be enough, if it dosen't lag.

I guess he meant the people who starts after this raid event.
They won't have Atalanta.