Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Amak

Question. I hear Hercules is considered top dog and her relic weapon a must. I get that she has great nuke and damage, but is she worth using for anything other than damage? I don't have perfect KH teams, so most of the time I need to use Joan or Mordred for utility (except thunder where D'art is life).

Depends on your Kamihime and if you can cover some debuffs without ex-skill.
For relic weapon you usually want Shingen, Herc and maaaybe Morgan.
No idea how your team looks like

Question. I hear Hercules is considered top dog and her relic weapon a must. I get that she has great nuke and damage, but is she worth using for anything other than damage? I don't have perfect KH teams, so most of the time I need to use Joan or Mordred for utility (except thunder where D'art is life).

There are way more to Herc than just "great nuke and damage", she is:
1. The best in term of damage and survivability, tend to deal the most dmg in your team, and to be the last one standing.
2. 2nd in burst speed, behind only Shingen, can use PF very effectively.
3. Her relic weapon give 15% D Frame Def down on Burst at 1LB, each LB give 5% more.
4. 1 turn CD reduction passive (overlooked by a lot of ppl), great for ultility EX.

Originally Posted by Mirage

There are way more to Herc than just "great nuke and damage", she is:
1. The best in term of damage and survivability, tend to deal the most dmg in your team, and to be the last one standing.
2. 2nd in burst speed, behind only Shingen, can use PF very effectively.
3. Her relic weapon give 15% D Frame Def down on Burst at 1LB, each LB give 5% more.
4. 1 turn CD reduction passive (overlooked by a lot of ppl), great for ultility EX.

But Mirage-sensei it also depends what kind of team you have and if you need AoE Def down or not and how fast you can burst with your team :O
My wind team is slow and can only cover AoE-B-Frame def down. Therefore I would go with Hercules.

A dark team with Satan AW, Pluto, Osiris and Chernobog will probably run with Shingen because of snipper as ex.
You can also use Dark Ama/Samael later instead of Osiris/Satan AW and run with Hercules+PF

Originally Posted by Amak

That's the thing, almost every team I have needs at least one debuff covered, so I can't see much use from the pure-damage type souls. So I wonder if in the mean time I should just get the ATK weapon for the souls I actually use.

EDIT: Oh, her weapon burst is def debuff? Now I see what's the deal.

yea and Hercules with Relic weapon burst fast enough, so that you can get your def down even if you only cover -20%def down.
You won't need BP that much later, if you get stronger.

That's the thing, almost every team I have needs at least one debuff covered, so I can't see much use from the pure-damage type souls. So I wonder if in the mean time I should just get the ATK weapon for the souls I actually use.

EDIT: Oh, her weapon burst is def debuff? Now I see what's the deal.

Originally Posted by Amak

That's the thing, almost every team I have needs at least one debuff covered, so I can't see much use from the pure-damage type souls. So I wonder if in the mean time I should just get the ATK weapon for the souls I actually use.

EDIT: Oh, her weapon burst is def debuff? Now I see what's the deal.

Yup. Combine the on-burst effect from her Relic weapon and you have a very, very strong Def- on your hands. And you still have a free EX slot. While you'll usually want to use it for PF (Herc doesn't even need help from others to reach PF, for crying out loud!), but if you really need to, you can bring something else.

But Mirage-sensei it also depends what kind of team you have and if you need AoE Def down or not and how fast you can burst with your team :O
My wind team is slow and can only cover AoE-B-Frame def down. Therefore I would go with Hercules.

A dark team with Satan AW, Pluto, Osiris and Chernobog will probably run with Shingen because of snipper as ex.
You can also use Dark Ama/Samael later instead of Osiris/Satan AW and run with Hercules+PF

Which is why i didnt say anythin like "you absolutely must run Herc". She is, like any other, can be better or worse in certain situation, it's just that it is better most of the time.
One thing i forget, is that the def debuff on Herc burst has much higher accuracy than Sniper, Ambush or most debuff ( and it is 25% as well if you can MLB the weapon), so depend on what you want: faster debuff or more reliable, or just want to control your pacing