Quote Originally Posted by Slashley View Post
How much effort are you willing to put into Ults Waters?

Personally, I went for Mordred's Relic weapon. I... don't know is that the correct choice. On one hand, debuff- is crucial to extremely debuff intensive Water. For example, Cthulhu-Snow Raphael-SSR Nike means that you have -50% Def right there (or for me personally Ctulhu-Belphegor-Ryu-Oh). On the other hand, Mordred is no Hercules.

Mind you, Hercules has basically everything that you want in a Soul - she has Reflect which makes her extremely tanky (30% damage cut), combo+ which means that she's unlikely to ever be the bottleneck in your Full Bursts, she has a huge nuke AND she even debuffs Def Down thanks to Relic weapon.

Because of this, I am currently in the process of farming a second Water Relic weapon; Herc's Axe. It's just too good to pass up on, really. So if don't think that farming 240+ Water Regalia is for you, probably just go for Herc anyway. Keep in mind that turtling is probably the only way to clear AQ5 in ~5 months. Whales will tell you to go balls to the walls and just kill the damn boss before Overdrive, but time will tell if that's feasible or not for most players. But even turtling is hard, since in order to not get oneshot you'll need 95-100% damage cut every... five turns? Six turns? I forget. Anyway, Joan's HP weapon is probably your only way to double up on the amount of turns you have before you wipe.

tl;dr; I... don't think I have any solid advice for you. Sorry?


On a side note, after getting Mordred's Sword (which has -15% Rage cut), I have gone full retard on Rage cuts. My party of Mordred (EX Gil's Rage cut)-Cthulhu-Belphegor- Ryu-Oh -Sol has a freaking ~52% Rage cut. This lets me Full Burst EVERY Rage Bar in a single turn that I've found so far - including Sunday AQ4 Thunder boss!! Considering how Sol is in there, it's just... what?

Is going full retard on Rage cuts a good idea? Probably not. But I am amused. Also, it should be noted just how fucking broken Belphegor is. I pulled Asherat today, so I have ALL Water SSR Hime except the healers (SSR Nike and Aphrodite). And Ea. But nobody cares about Ea. Yet? SR Belphegor is in my party, and isn't going anywhere.
Having Asherat (I prefer this name actually lmao) makes me think that a Shingen relic build would actually be feasible...

How much effort would I put into water? Currently sitting at 79 regalia and 78 shards (20 5-shard regalia traded in already). Is that... enough effort?

The soul issue is one thing I never ever got my head around when it comes to water, which is why I still have a ridiculously hard time deciding the relic. Mordred is... never the answer for end game play, is what I've learnt from all my time in this forum. Still, it feels like if you main water, you're pretty much glued to Mord, or the only other option you have is to tough it out for 8 turns till you get your Sphinx active. It's awkward, to say the least.

I miss the days when debuff was a true meta...