Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Unregistered

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Water meta next year:
Asherah, Ryu-Oh, Vohu-Manah... last spot whatever you want. Maybe Shiva AW

Age of burst...
Herc relic = 30BG = you can use PF
And the only team that it's a must-have to use Shingen is wind. Maybe dark too, if you have those high DA/TA KH
Water is too slow currently.

DA/TA up...ACC Set Bonus and you have a higher DA/TA rate for each KH.

If you cover 50% def down, then you should go with Herc+PF obviously unless we talk about Burst Wind Meta.
And some dark build, where Shingen has better synergy

And just noooo... Don't waste a MT for Aphrodite.

Shingen is a nice Soul too but for that water team... Herc is the better option in the long run, especially with Tower.

It’s good to look what happens on DMM version, but I guess it’s kinda inevitable that old mindset affects the evaluation of those new things.

A typical burst setup will feature Shingen + Encourage (the EX that Shade mentioned), with 4 fast KHs. With all kinds of combo rate and burst buffs, it can perform FB every 3 or 4T, at the cost of usually having only 20% or 30% def down, cuz each element has only 1 fast debuffer, except Light has 3 and Dark has 0. So Dark is truly too slow and players are suffering. Water is not slow at all, neither now, nor in the future, only if you would drop some slow debuffers.
This setup is mainly used when debuffs have no full coverage due to CD, like in GO; or covered by other players like in raids; and when team gets stronger: if the boss can’t survive a FB under 30% def down, 50% just slows you down.

Therefore, when evaluating abilities, don’t forget to check the CD. Herc’s 35BG / 8T will be struggling to keep up with frequent FB. And as grid improves, his nuke of 700k / 8T will become more inferior to a burst every 4T. Thus Herc + PF is outperformed by Shingen + Sniper Shot (a common practice before Encourage is available), when burst unleashes its potential in terms of both frequency and damage.

Due to such superiority of burst, even a “standard” or more balanced setup, which has or almost has 50% debuff, will also rely on bursts, just not that fast. Shingen + Encourage is still popular. And when clearing daliy contents, Herc is favorable as PF won’t do much good on AAB.

Tower is quite unique and should be discussed separately. Basically the lower floors are dominated by Solomon w/ her new EX; and Herc isn’t useful on the 15th floor due to the immunity. Strategies for other floors are highly contextual.

Below is the ranking of Guild Arena event, which tests how much damage you can deal within 15T, thus here are the most op whales,.
Like UE ranking, teams showing here are currently being used, not necessarily those used for the event. But still, it offers a sneak peek into the future of this game.
Among the top 20, 12 are using Shingen, several Arthur, and 1 Herc / Andro / Morgan. Besides, more than half are running only 1 fast debuffer.