Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Honestly I've found many subscription MMOs easier to document and discuss than this game. The bar for entry is lower because everyone is playing the same version of the game and has access to more or less the same set of abilities and equipment. Also, the code and game mechanics aren't spaghetti. In this game you have DMM veterans and Japanese-language documentation discussing future content on one end, and English players on the other concerned with current content. You also have an English version that doesn't always mirror the Japanese version at the same point in time. The interface between the two versions is thus messy and contentious. The cashing system is messy and creates artificial disparities between players.

I don't have any ready solutions. Honestly, I think there's been much more interest in problem-finding than problem-solving. Might help if discussion was more purposeful, topic-driven, information-dense, and professional. But well, that's not why most people post here.

I do agree that this thread is a poor information repository. It is a great way to heap together content so only the most avid forum followers will ever see it and no one will be able to find it at a later date.

Sorry for the noob question, but how is Shingen supposed to be used during burst times? Do you activate Provisional Forest and hope to get your burst back to 100 before the buff ends?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Sorry for the noob question, but how is Shingen supposed to be used during burst times? Do you activate Provisional Forest and hope to get your burst back to 100 before the buff ends?

PF doesn't have a timer, it lasts until you burst.

Originally Posted by Laventale

PF doesn't have a timer, it lasts until you burst.

It lasts 3 turns.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Sorry for the noob question, but how is Shingen supposed to be used during burst times? Do you activate Provisional Forest and hope to get your burst back to 100 before the buff ends?

Without her spear, yes, it's rng without help from other hime abilities / summon actives. Otherwise, her spear increases her Abi1's burst gain from 20 to 35, which will guarantee PF within the next 2 turns.

Originally Posted by Bear

Without her spear, yes, it's rng without help from other hime abilities / summon actives. Otherwise, her spear increases her Abi1's burst gain from 20 to 35, which will guarantee PF within the next 2 turns.

Ah ok thanks! I went with her bow as a soul weapon instead, but just found out Osiris has a burst boost so I should be able to guarantee it within 2 turns.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Sorry for the noob question, but how is Shingen supposed to be used during burst times? Do you activate Provisional Forest and hope to get your burst back to 100 before the buff ends?

What bear said.

Also, the 2 other souls you can use PF reliably with on EX skill is with:
1. Arthur, cause skill 1 just gives you max burst instantly
2. Hercules, only with (insert element here ) Axe Neme Askal aka her assault axe, which gives +30 burst on skill 2 so you can burst the next turn if you get a double attack, or 2 turns later while the PF buff is still active.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Ah ok thanks! I went with her bow as a soul weapon instead, but just found out Osiris has a burst boost so I should be able to guarantee it within 2 turns.

Notice that while Shingen's bow has a good skill (assuming it works on Nutaku), most players are better off with the offensive weapon. The 30% elemental attack is something you should NOT miss out on unless you're running double P2W Eidolons. Anubis isn't even out yet, so...

And the "problem" with PF is that Full Bursting is important. I remember mathing it out before, and it was roughly "no PF full burst deals same damage as PF 4-Hime burst", so your PF is entirely wasted if Shingen can't join the party. I don't remember was this math with or without elemental advantage though, as that's important for the full burst bonus. I can't be arsed to calc it again for now.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Notice that while Shingen's bow has a good skill (assuming it works on Nutaku), most players are better off with the offensive weapon. The 30% elemental attack is something you should NOT miss out on unless you're running double P2W Eidolons. Anubis isn't even out yet, so....

Oh dang. Well I went with the bow because I have Satan AW and Pluto so I figured having the team focus around burst would be good. I haven’t limit broken it at all yet, do you think I should switch over to the offensive weapon?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Oh dang. Well I went with the bow because I have Satan AW and Pluto so I figured having the team focus around burst would be good. I haven’t limit broken it at all yet, do you think I should switch over to the offensive weapon?

Honestly, if you're ok with doing it, I'd rather you drop Shingen entirely and switch to Hercules. The big problem with having Shingen in any team is keeping up with her burst gen, since that's pretty much the only way you're going to get the most out of her. Problem? Only wind has the stuff to effortlessly keep up as of now. Of course, I'm not sure about the other elements in the long run, light might(...?) be able to pull off having Shingen in the team in the distant future.

If your team doesn't keep up with Shingen's burst, what you essentially have is a soul that does super fast but weak bursts every few turns, which to be honest is a waste of a slot. Satan AW and Pluto don't sound like picks geared towards fast burst, Pluto's case is pretty much powerhousing with lego stacks and Satan... her role just goes everywhere tbh. I say Hercules will be the better pick, because either way you're likely full bursting at almost the same time as if you would Shingen if you wait for a FB, but you have the added benefit of a 700k dmg nuke (well, depending on your grid), a soul that soaks dmg pretty darn well, and a 25% def break on burst effect, which helps you hit the cap added with Satan's def break so you don't really need to invest any other team slot or eidolon around that. Shingen could likely burst once during the period waiting for a FB and catch up to actually participate in the FB, but you're not gonna be wasting a PF buff for a single unit burst, and considering that her overall dmg output is not gonna be dealing more than 100k/turn from Hercules' nuke and then some.

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

Honestly, if you're ok with doing it, I'd rather you drop Shingen entirely and switch to Hercules. The big problem with having Shingen in any team is keeping up with her burst gen, since that's pretty much the only way you're going to get the most out of her. Problem? Only wind has the stuff to effortlessly keep up as of now. Of course, I'm not sure about the other elements in the long run, light might(...?) be able to pull off having Shingen in the team in the distant future.

Ahh ok thank you for your insight! Part of me went with Shingen solely because all my other teams besides thunder are running Hercules and I just wanted to spice things up haha ^^;; so just to make sure before I make the change, you think a team of Satan AW, Pluto, Osiris, and Hades AW would be better off running Hercules axe?