Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Slashley

Notice that while Shingen's bow has a good skill (assuming it works on Nutaku), most players are better off with the offensive weapon. The 30% elemental attack is something you should NOT miss out on unless you're running double P2W Eidolons. Anubis isn't even out yet, so....

Oh dang. Well I went with the bow because I have Satan AW and Pluto so I figured having the team focus around burst would be good. I haven’t limit broken it at all yet, do you think I should switch over to the offensive weapon?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Oh dang. Well I went with the bow because I have Satan AW and Pluto so I figured having the team focus around burst would be good. I haven’t limit broken it at all yet, do you think I should switch over to the offensive weapon?

Honestly, if you're ok with doing it, I'd rather you drop Shingen entirely and switch to Hercules. The big problem with having Shingen in any team is keeping up with her burst gen, since that's pretty much the only way you're going to get the most out of her. Problem? Only wind has the stuff to effortlessly keep up as of now. Of course, I'm not sure about the other elements in the long run, light might(...?) be able to pull off having Shingen in the team in the distant future.

If your team doesn't keep up with Shingen's burst, what you essentially have is a soul that does super fast but weak bursts every few turns, which to be honest is a waste of a slot. Satan AW and Pluto don't sound like picks geared towards fast burst, Pluto's case is pretty much powerhousing with lego stacks and Satan... her role just goes everywhere tbh. I say Hercules will be the better pick, because either way you're likely full bursting at almost the same time as if you would Shingen if you wait for a FB, but you have the added benefit of a 700k dmg nuke (well, depending on your grid), a soul that soaks dmg pretty darn well, and a 25% def break on burst effect, which helps you hit the cap added with Satan's def break so you don't really need to invest any other team slot or eidolon around that. Shingen could likely burst once during the period waiting for a FB and catch up to actually participate in the FB, but you're not gonna be wasting a PF buff for a single unit burst, and considering that her overall dmg output is not gonna be dealing more than 100k/turn from Hercules' nuke and then some.

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

Honestly, if you're ok with doing it, I'd rather you drop Shingen entirely and switch to Hercules. The big problem with having Shingen in any team is keeping up with her burst gen, since that's pretty much the only way you're going to get the most out of her. Problem? Only wind has the stuff to effortlessly keep up as of now. Of course, I'm not sure about the other elements in the long run, light might(...?) be able to pull off having Shingen in the team in the distant future.

Ahh ok thank you for your insight! Part of me went with Shingen solely because all my other teams besides thunder are running Hercules and I just wanted to spice things up haha ^^;; so just to make sure before I make the change, you think a team of Satan AW, Pluto, Osiris, and Hades AW would be better off running Hercules axe?

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

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If your team doesn't keep up with Shingen's burst, what you essentially have is a soul that does super fast but weak bursts every few turns, which to be honest is a waste of a slot.--

The other upside of Shingen is access to EX slot, while still using PF.

Did we know his exact team?

Originally Posted by Slashley

The other upside of Shingen is access to EX slot, while still using PF.

Did we know his exact team?

I figured I would register instead of posting anonymously all the time haha. My team is Satan AW, Pluto, Osiris, and Hades AW with Amon Unleashed and Nephthys as sub slots (unless there are better SRs?)

Originally Posted by Slashley

The other upside of Shingen is access to EX slot, while still using PF.

Did we know his exact team?

I didn't before, went off with the assumption that those are the only 2 notable girls he has...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Ahh ok thank you for your insight! Part of me went with Shingen solely because all my other teams besides thunder are running Hercules and I just wanted to spice things up haha ^^;; so just to make sure before I make the change, you think a team of Satan AW, Pluto, Osiris, and Hades AW would be better off running Hercules axe?

But now we have the complete picture.

I did forget Pluto's combo+ in my argument though, so I'll have to factor that in now...

My breakdown of this goes 2 ways:

You could run Shingen sniper shot with the team, and achieve 45% def break and 40% atk break. The atk break can be capped with Yatagarasu no issue, def break you might want to ignore the last 5%. Pluto with decent lego stacks and Satan combo+ might make it easier for you to catch up with Shingen, but it's RNG. Dice or no dice, I need to sleep after this post so I can't do the maths for you. Still, do consider if you think the RNG is good enough for you to support the burst gen.

2nd option: Hercules PF, which nets you full def break and 20% atk break, hitting 30% with Yata. Everything else about my argument still stands here.

I... will stand with Hercules because in my book, RNG is no dice, plain and simple. I'm not mathing, but I do still anticipate the Hercules set up doing more damage than Shingen. In addition, I don't think you actually need the extra atk break from SS since your set up feels pretty tanky in nature already.

Have a look at other opinions before you make the decision however, them relic weapons don't come in easy to impulse buy.

Going to sleep now, as usual please invalidate me if necessary forum members, I'm digging all this shit straight outta my sleepy ass.

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

Honestly, if you're ok with doing it, I'd rather you drop Shingen entirely and switch to Hercules. The big problem with having Shingen in any team is keeping up with her burst gen, since that's pretty much the only way you're going to get the most out of her. Problem? Only wind has the stuff to effortlessly keep up as of now. Of course, I'm not sure about the other elements in the long run, light might(...?) be able to pull off having Shingen in the team in the distant future.

If your team doesn't keep up with Shingen's burst, what you essentially have is a soul that does super fast but weak bursts every few turns, which to be honest is a waste of a slot.

The team doesn't need to keep up with Shingen to make use of her. She gets PF for free, allowing you to put something else in the EX slot (like debuff resistance down, overdrive extension, or Sniper Shot). That 40% extra Burst damage could be the difference between ending Rage before a lethal overdrive... or not.

While spike damage is almost always useful, more frequent Full Bursts are only situationally useful. In many fights you'll be holding your Burst for the next damage check. In a Guild Order you'll often want to Burst on Stage 3, Stage 5 start, and Stage 5 Rage. Fitting in extra Bursts elsewhere is actually pretty challenging and could mess up transitions, leaving you without debuffs or spike damage when they're needed. Not to mention the Provisional Forest cooldown itself can become a bottleneck.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

In a Guild Order you'll often want to Burst on Stage 3, Stage 5 start, and Stage 5 Rage.

Lmao

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