Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Unregistered

So, "Never sell" == "Can possibly use as either main or sub eidolon at point for whatever reason"

An eidolon may possibly be used in the main slot if it has a useful passive. That's usually +40% (or higher) element stuff as well as the 40% HP/20% character atk series. Maybe +burst streak if you're obscenely powerful enough such that burst streak is your remaining avenue of increasing damage output.
An eidolon may possibly be used in the sub slot if it has high stats or a useful summon effect. An eidolon may also be desired in the sub slot to fulfill a requirement for another eidolon, but it'd probably still need respectable stats for the plan to work out.

If an eidolon only has its passive going for it (ie lackluster stats and effect), then extra copies of it from drops and/or reprints can go bye bye. Case in point: Phoenix reprint coming up next. Phoenix has a solid passive if you missed out on 40%+ light or thunder. But Phoenix's atk is pretty bad and the summon effect is something I doubt the efficacy of. After you have 1 maxed copy of Phoenix, any extras can safely be sold, IMO.

The lilim series are also usual candidates to ditch. Their passive is for situations nobody actually wants to be in. Their stats are also below average. And their summon effect is okay, but eventually pushed out by better stuff once you've been playing long enough. Sooner or later, you treat any new lilim you pick up as fodder to be sold for orbs.

Thanks, this is helpful. I was after a list useful eids as I am not sure what summon effects are useful..

Anyone been getting nike'd a lot today? Got the error dozens of times on random event raids and 4 times in a single guild order run.

Originally Posted by Aidoru

Anyone been getting nike'd a lot today? Got the error dozens of times on random event raids and 4 times in a single guild order run.

Yea, its annoying

Ah good so it isn't my internet connection.
But it is still annoying.
I get nike'd at the most critical times(give me back my guild order try)

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Thanks, this is helpful. I was after a list useful eids as I am not sure what summon effects are useful..

I don't think any ediolon worth keeping 2nd copy.

No, some eidolons can be argued worth keeping a second maxed copy of.

Tiamat is the easy example among event eidolons. Her atk is absurd; 2262 atk means that an on-element eidolon needs 2057 base atk to beat it. And her summon effect is... reliable. 750 HP barrier that lasts 3 turns every 10th turn. You know what you'll get from it every time you use it.

High base atk eidolons with decent enough effects are something you'd probably want if you're using an eidolon that checks the number of matching element sub eidolons.

Horus users may want another copy of Adramelech's 2058 atk and 3 turns of unknown amount of +double, as +double/+triple effects are nice to speed up burst gauge generation.

Pazuzu/Hanuman users may want another copy of Icarus's 2094 atk and 3 turns of unknown amount of +triple.

Nidhoggr users may want...uhhh, when the original koihime collab reprint happens, does the exchange reset? Cause a 2nd Meng Huo's 2100 atk would be nice for Nidhoggr users. If not, then uh, both Amaru and Yggdrasil are sitting at 1866 atk. They're not worth a 2nd copy of in the long run since the next 3 thunder eidolons are Tartarus/Medjed/Yato-no-kami (1950/1950/1998 atk respectively). So, yea, hope that the exchange resets for a 2nd Meng Huo :/

Illuyanka/Leviathan users want that 2nd Tiamat.

Managarmr users could possibly want a 2nd St. Nicholas's atk (1950), but that summon effect is annoying. If you're looking more for raw beefiness instead of snazzy effects, then there you go. The future light event eidolons with over 1800 atk are Yule Goat (1890) and Nandi (1986). So there's room for Sphinx/St. Nick/St. Nick/Yule Goat/Nandi if you're just looking at atk. The 2nd St. Nick may be replaced by Abou (1770) if you want her dark atk debuff.

For Anubis users... your options for simple to get 2nd copies just don't have high atk. Dark event eidolons in general don't have high atk. The highest two are Delphyne (2010) and Trivia (1890). The 3rd highest so far? Apocalypse at 1680 o.o
If you really want a 2nd copy then, maaaybe Jack o' Lantern (1602) for the zeal effect? Burst gauge generation is nice as long as you can tolerate the self burn aspect of zeal. But really, you're praying to roll a 2nd maxed copy of Trivia or Delphyne.

Of course, there are always the kaiser dragoons to take up one sub slot (not the main!). Although I don't actually what their atk exactly is at 0* (as I've only heard that it's still more than sufficient). But their summon effect is really good. They are the main priority in the eidolon orb shop for good reason. I only leave them out as I don't know when a particular individual should expect to pick one up, as the rate at which you get orbs varies from person to person.

Kaiser Dragoons have 445 HP and 1633 Attack at level 40.
559 HP and 2050 Attack at 55 (1*)

Originally Posted by Unregistered

No, some eidolons can be argued worth keeping a second maxed copy of.

Tiamat is the easy example among event eidolons. Her atk is absurd; 2262 atk means that an on-element eidolon needs 2057 base atk to beat it. And her summon effect is... reliable. 750 HP barrier that lasts 3 turns every 10th turn. You know what you'll get from it every time you use it.

High base atk eidolons with decent enough effects are something you'd probably want if you're using an eidolon that checks the number of matching element sub eidolons.

Horus users may want another copy of Adramelech's 2058 atk and 3 turns of unknown amount of +double, as +double/+triple effects are nice to speed up burst gauge generation.

Pazuzu/Hanuman users may want another copy of Icarus's 2094 atk and 3 turns of unknown amount of +triple.

Nidhoggr users may want...uhhh, when the original koihime collab reprint happens, does the exchange reset? Cause a 2nd Meng Huo's 2100 atk would be nice for Nidhoggr users. If not, then uh, both Amaru and Yggdrasil are sitting at 1866 atk. They're not worth a 2nd copy of in the long run since the next 3 thunder eidolons are Tartarus/Medjed/Yato-no-kami (1950/1950/1998 atk respectively). So, yea, hope that the exchange resets for a 2nd Meng Huo :/

Illuyanka/Leviathan users want that 2nd Tiamat.

Managarmr users could possibly want a 2nd St. Nicholas's atk (1950), but that summon effect is annoying. If you're looking more for raw beefiness instead of snazzy effects, then there you go. The future light event eidolons with over 1800 atk are Yule Goat (1890) and Nandi (1986). So there's room for Sphinx/St. Nick/St. Nick/Yule Goat/Nandi if you're just looking at atk. The 2nd St. Nick may be replaced by Abou (1770) if you want her dark atk debuff.

For Anubis users... your options for simple to get 2nd copies just don't have high atk. Dark event eidolons in general don't have high atk. The highest two are Delphyne (2010) and Trivia (1890). The 3rd highest so far? Apocalypse at 1680 o.o
If you really want a 2nd copy then, maaaybe Jack o' Lantern (1602) for the zeal effect? Burst gauge generation is nice as long as you can tolerate the self burn aspect of zeal. But really, you're praying to roll a 2nd maxed copy of Trivia or Delphyne.

Amazing, thanks.

If already have Belial, is it still good to keep Horus (1st copy)?

There is any non event Eidonlon that should keep 2nd copy for the summon effect eg Farnir def++

Can u also pls explain base ATT vs on element ATT and where to see both numbers is game?

Many thanks

Originally Posted by Unregistered

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Can u also pls explain base ATT vs on element ATT--

Super simplified, the damage formula is BaseAtk*CharacterAtk*ElementalAtk. CharacterAtk is the same as Assault, so once you upgrade your grids, you'll want Elemental Eidolons like Belial as your primary (ones that don't read "Fire CHARACTER Atk up").

Originally Posted by Unregistered

-- where to see both numbers is game?

Only BaseAtk is shown ingame, in the Edit screen. The rest you'll just have to calculate yourself.