Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Saeleyna

Hey all looking for some party advice (again) - largely related to soul weapons but numbers/skill question as well

I keep going back and forth on what's the optimal opening for my dark party. Likely never make a difference, but the fact that I don't know is annoying me heavily. My party is:

Soul (currently herc - not sure who to make resident soul)
Thanatos
Satan (awakened)
Pluto
Amon (Unleashed)

sniper shot --> hades destroyer is a given, but after that I'm at a loss. Satan only applies dark resist down but I know that can be a massive damage boost. Pluto needs to use amphael giazza (wtf name is that?) to apply blocks before buffing for the added dark atk up, and thanatos provides an additional def debuff. I'm sure a lot of this is heavily dependent on gear, but I guess the general question is when applying debuffs, what are the priorities to use first? I've currently been going with Pluto --> Satan --> Thanatos due to debuffs being possible to miss and feeling like dark resist down > 3rd defense down debuff, but unsure if this is true or not. Also - is Herc the right soul for this comp or should I swap to Shingen or something?

My light comp is kinda bad (only have Michael and just got Moonlight Artemis), but was wondering what the go-to soul for light is in general. Comp is:

Herc
Uzume
SSR Artemis
Forseti
Michael

Love the burst gauge stacking, but doesn't seem like Shingen would work as they have long cds. Anywho any/all advice appreciated thanks!

BRUH... wtf are you doing ... so many mistakes...
First: you use Pluto's assault+ele atk buff if you are going to burst and not for skills... thats... common sense... it has 8T CD...
My dark team bursts Turn 4 already, sometimes 5.
Second: Satan debuffs first --> and then the other debuffs...
Thrid: Get Shingen. Because you got already those fast dark KHs and Shingen has better synergy with dark. Tbh I would kick Amon U from the team and replace her with Hades/Osiris/Cherno or Berith (next month release).

For light it depends imo, if you want to use Shingen and main light next year and be OP+fast.
Then you will need at least 3 MTix if you are unlucky... (Micha AW, Lugh/Take, Tish and Iris)
Currently for that set-up Herc is fine and the best solution to give that immortal element somehow more damage.
Shingen will be too fast for light currently, thats going to change next year.

Need help choosing fire soul weapon. I got Mars, Amaterasu, Ares, Fire Beelzebub and Yamaraja. Which soul and weapon should I go for?

Originally Posted by artista

Need help choosing fire soul weapon. I got Mars, Amaterasu, Ares, Fire Beelzebub and Yamaraja. Which soul and weapon should I go for?

If you're in doubt, always Hercules.

Originally Posted by Saeleyna

--
sniper shot --> hades destroyer is a given, but after that I'm at a loss.

Is it a given? Let's see:
-25% A Amon
-20% C Thanatos
-10% Resistance Satan Awakened
= -55% total

You're already past the 50% cap without Sniper Shot. So use PF instead.

->Open Spoiler<-

At some point Amon will get reworked into C, at that point you'll be looking at:
-15% A Satan
-25% C Amon
-10% Resistance Satan Awakened
= -50% total
So you'll still be def capped without Sniper Shot, AND you'll be able to drop Thanatos if you want.

Originally Posted by Saeleyna

-- Also - is Herc the right soul for this comp or should I swap to Shingen or something?
-- but was wondering what the go-to soul for light is in general. Comp is:--

The "which Soul should I use?" thread should answer that. I don't think your teams are fast enough for Shingen until second anniversary patch, so Hercules it is. Shingen's only real benefit for you right now is the ability to use an EX skill while still having PF, so if you need defensive tools, that's probably the way to go. Yeah, Herc's def debuff will be "wasted" but Herc is still just way too good to pass up on.

Originally Posted by artista

Need help choosing fire soul weapon. I got Mars, Amaterasu, Ares, Fire Beelzebub and Yamaraja. Which soul and weapon should I go for?

See above.

Originally Posted by Aidoru

Applying Hades Destroyer first is more important as elemental resist also works as affliction resist down for the element, so that dark resist down will increase the rate of the rest of your debuffs landing.

Interesting, would never have guessed that. Thanks for the tip.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Is it a given? Let's see:
-25% A Amon
-20% C Thanatos
-10% Resistance Satan Awakened
= -55% total

You're already past the 50% cap without Sniper Shot. So use PF instead.

I really need to start looking at actual values instead of simply looking at (de)buff icons to tell what takes priority/is most efficient >_<. Based on the numbers you provided I'm assuming dark resist down is part of the 50% cap? That's..... odd to me, unless the normal defense down cap is 40% + 10% cap for elemental resist down. If the generic attack/def debuff cap is 50% though (which includes elemental resist down, atk or def), that just seems like a really bizarre way to go. Not saying you're wrong mind you, just seems odd to me.

Anyway thanks for the super helpful info Aidoru and Slashley as always (including parts not added in quotes for brevity)!

Originally Posted by Saeleyna

-- Based on the numbers you provided I'm assuming dark resist down is part of the 50% cap? --

Yup, it is. "Def Down" and "x Resist Down" are the same thing with a shared cap. There are two differences however:
1. "Def Down" applies to all elements, whileas "Dark Resist Down" only applies to Dark Hime.
2. "Dark Resist Down" (supposedly) gives you higher chance of landing debuffs, thus making it strictly better. (I'm using supposedly here since I don't have any myself and can't actually test it)

There's also for example stuff like "Light Attack Down" which stacks with "Atk Down" and is again under a shared cap of -50%.


As for the "-40% cap", that's kinda true. For many players only have access to Ambush (A) and Sniper Shot (B), which gets to -40%. That's their limit, since access to C debuffs and Resist Downs are very rare for us still (and just one of the reasons why Hercules is so good since his Eidolon frame Def Down helps a lot). Because going from -40% to -50% is 16% more damage, that's a big deal. For comparison, a P2W Eidolon support is ~25% more damage.

When you think about it, you're kind of a funny spot - you have access to a A debuff higher than 20%, access to C debuff AND access to Dark Resist Down. Many people don't have any of those!

Hey I have 3000 jewels and I'm trying to get a halloween SSR. Which is a better hime to try for, Michael or Osiris?

Originally Posted by Xenos

Hey I have 3000 jewels and I'm trying to get a halloween SSR. Which is a better hime to try for, Michael or Osiris?

Michael is garbage and you'd rather get the Halloween SR (Thunder Artemis).

You do realize your chances of hitting an SSR, much less a rate-up SSR, is next to none with just one 10-roll, right?