Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Kuso

Right now Im not done with fire yet (need 2 more hime, and FLB more weapon) so skill up weapon/awaken hime/mtix other elements are not possible. 2nd team is only for fighting against water anyway so I want to choose a team that dont require more investment for that role.

I've been investing too much on fire, so turning back isnt an option right now anyway

Lol, in that case, you shouldn't say something like your "luck with thunder himes sucks" (considering that you basically have pretty much all of them) and say something more like "I'm too lazy to work on more than 1 grid so I'm just trying to one-trick-pony as a single element." I basically thought the same thing captainnoob did when I saw your question coupled with your pics.

As for countering water AQs and GOs with fire, it's definitely possible, but yes if you're going in with elemental weakness and have incomplete grids, then you should expect pain. I was able to clear jorm GO with my fire team just for fun, and the team from your pic seems to have all the ideal fire himes needed for it. Though if you're going against water, you probably want to replace out Dakki with something else... maybe AW Ares? Anyway as long as you have a decently built up grid for it, I imagine you'll be able to manage just fine... so keep working on your grid I guess? Also it seems from your pics, you play on dmm version, which means your AQs go up to 5 (or 6 now?) there I guess, while most of the players here are from the Nutaku version so personally I myself don't have any experience with AQ5s or AQ6s. But again, I imagine they are probably clear-able even with element disadvantage as long as your grid is up to the standard. So just stop being lazy with grids I guess? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Originally Posted by VeryVoodoo

Lol, in that case, you shouldn't say something like your "luck with thunder himes sucks" (considering that you basically have pretty much all of them) and say something more like "I'm too lazy to work on more than 1 grid so I'm just trying to one-trick-pony as a single element." I basically thought the same thing captainnoob did when I saw your question coupled with your pics.

As for countering water AQs and GOs with fire, it's definitely possible, but yes if you're going in with elemental weakness and have incomplete grids, then you should expect pain. I was able to clear jorm GO with my fire team just for fun, and the team from your pic seems to have all the ideal fire himes needed for it. Though if you're going against water, you probably want to replace out Dakki with something else... maybe AW Ares? Anyway as long as you have a decently built up grid for it, I imagine you'll be able to manage just fine... so keep working on your grid I guess? Also it seems from your pics, you play on dmm version, which means your AQs go up to 5 (or 6 now?) there I guess, while most of the players here are from the Nutaku version so personally I myself don't have any experience with AQ5s or AQ6s. But again, I imagine they are probably clear-able even with element disadvantage as long as your grid is up to the standard. So just stop being lazy with grids I guess? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

My thunder team lacks 2 crucial himes (unleashed baal and thunder aphro), not to mention I have to stick to charles blast + mamon so the damage is greatly lowered. That element is my weakest.

Someone in my friend list has 74k atk on his soul on wind team (shingen build btw) and he can take mvp on high fire rags easily. That's what I'm aiming to reach (and it wont be easy unless I focus on only 1 ele). Not like Im lazy y'know

The GO boss will change in the future (the list will be cthugha - turtle - icarus - sandalphon - barong - jack lantern) and while my thunder team can beat the turtle, it took like 20 mins to clear (my fire team can clear other GO in less than 10 min) so I need something else to deal with water GO (just in case they might change it in the future again)

Same thing with access 5th layer, I gave up on 6th layer already since thunder team is too weak to handle it

Maybe I can deal with them in the future when my fire grid is done? But right now, nope. I need something other than fire and thunder

Originally Posted by Kuso

My thunder team lacks 2 crucial himes (unleashed baal and thunder aphro), not to mention I have to stick to charles blast + mamon so the damage is greatly lowered. That element is my weakest.

Someone in my friend list has 74k atk on his soul on wind team (shingen build btw) and he can take mvp on high fire rags easily. That's what I'm aiming to reach (and it wont be easy unless I focus on only 1 ele). Not like Im lazy y'know

The GO boss will change in the future (the list will be cthugha - turtle - icarus - sandalphon - barong - jack lantern) and while my thunder team can beat the turtle, it took like 20 mins to clear (my fire team can clear other GO in less than 10 min) so I need something else to deal with water GO (just in case they might change it in the future again)

Same thing with access 5th layer, I gave up on 6th layer already since thunder team is too weak to handle it

Maybe I can deal with them in the future when my fire grid is done? But right now, nope. I need something other than fire and thunder

You make it almost sound like you need every single SSR hime for an element in order for it to be worth using. For the record, that's not true for the content you were originally asking about (AQs and GOs). That content can be cleared even with SR-only teams. Though I do agree that baal and aphro are definitely crucial for thunder. But with the amount of SSR himes in your pics, you should really not be having trouble with that content. Your original post stated you "struggle a lot against water" AQ + Go content. Now it just seems to be a matter of the time it takes to clear I guess, so it's become a different matter it seems. Anyway if I had access to all those himes, hell I'd probably be AAB'ing every element's GOs instead of just only with fire for quetz currently (and yes, I'm aware the current GOs we have will change later on). As for high rags, we don't have them here yet, so I have no experience with them. So I can only wish you luck in your quest to clear them with elemental weakness I guess. :>

Originally Posted by VeryVoodoo

You make it almost sound like you need every single SSR hime for an element in order for it to be worth using. For the record, that's not true for the content you were originally asking about (AQs and GOs). That content can be cleared even with SR-only teams. Though I do agree that baal and aphro are definitely crucial for thunder. But with the amount of SSR himes in your pics, you should really not be having trouble with that content. Your original post stated you "struggle a lot against water" AQ + Go content. Now it just seems to be a matter of the time it takes to clear I guess, so it's become a different matter it seems. Anyway if I had access to all those himes, hell I'd probably be AAB'ing every element's GOs instead of just only with fire for quetz currently (and yes, I'm aware the current GOs we have will change later on). As for high rags, we don't have them here yet, so I have no experience with them. So I can only wish you luck in your quest to clear them with elemental weakness I guess. :>

You are right about the struggle part with water GO (sorry, i should be more clear about it). But against AQ 5th layer, my thunder team is indeed struggle with it (cant stun the boss in 5 turn, usually get 3-4 himes killed on the process)

And well, you certainly dont need all SSRs to make an element worth using, but you need some certain ones (like baal in thunder) to make it worth using over other elements. And since I dont have them, it's better to choose a 2nd ele to work with.

Maybe someone can clear access q 5th and 6th layer with sr himes, but it's like solo high rags (doable but not recommended). Those layer are the contents that need some investment after all.

Also I feel like this has derailed somewhat, isnt it?

Originally Posted by Kuso

You are right about the struggle part with water GO (sorry, i should be more clear about it). But against AQ 5th layer, my thunder team is indeed struggle with it (cant stun the boss in 5 turn, usually get 3-4 himes killed on the process)

And well, you certainly dont need all SSRs to make an element worth using, but you need some certain ones (like baal in thunder) to make it worth using over other elements. And since I dont have them, it's better to choose a 2nd ele to work with.

Maybe someone can clear access q 5th and 6th layer with sr himes, but it's like solo high rags (doable but not recommended). Those layer are the contents that need some investment after all.

Also I feel like this has derailed somewhat, isnt it?

AQ5+6 aren't anywhere near the difficulty of soloing high rags. It honestly just sounds you like have a bad thunder grid since those hime and hercules shouldn't have any problem with AQ5+6(to be fair I haven't seen water's 2nd round yet on AQ6, but AQ6 is kind of a joke so far) or any water GO with a decent grid.

Originally Posted by Kuso

But against AQ 5th layer, my thunder team is indeed struggle with it (cant stun the boss in 5 turn, usually get 3-4 himes killed on the process)

Hmm, out of curiosity is it possible for you to show a pic of your thunder wpn grid for reference?

My thunder team is a lot more limited than your thunder team both in terms of quantity and probably quality as well.

Here's what I'm using for thunder currently for reference (ignore the thunder Michael as sub, I got her just this week so she's not lvl'ed up yet, she'll probably replace Astraea later on) and also the grid I'm using currently, though sometimes I switch a few wpns in it (everything is max SL of course): https://imgur.com/a/USXPgvG

Is this currently not good enough to clear AQ5s?

Originally Posted by Kuso

Maybe someone can clear access q 5th and 6th layer with sr himes, but it's like solo high rags (doable but not recommended). Those layer are the contents that need some investment after all.

You may be right. I could just be speaking out of my ass, since I have no experience with AQ5s as of yet. I've also invested 0$ on my thunder team. Somehow, I still feel like I'll be able to clear it when it comes here though. It can't be that much more difficult than water GOs right? Like even if it was twice as difficult, it would still be easily cleared I think?

Originally Posted by Kuso

Also I feel like this has derailed somewhat, isnt it?

Nah, this is the general discussion thread after all, and we're just generally discussing the game, so I'm sure it's fine. :>

Originally Posted by Unregistered

AQ5+6 aren't anywhere near the difficulty of soloing high rags. It honestly just sounds you like have a bad thunder grid since those hime and hercules shouldn't have any problem with AQ5+6(to be fair I haven't seen water's 2nd round yet on AQ6, but AQ6 is kind of a joke so far) or any water GO with a decent grid.

Indeed they aren't. What you are saying is BS.
I even cleared it with off-ele.
Tbh you have almost in every element the current meta.
You are just lazy and don't have a leveled Grid.

Please don't say something like High Rags = AQ5/6 = same difficulty.
Because thats nonsense.

Just start to level your grid!

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Indeed they aren't. What you are saying is BS.
I even cleared it with off-ele.
Tbh you have almost in every element the current meta.
You are just lazy and don't have a leveled Grid.

Please don't say something like High Rags = AQ5/6 = same difficulty.
Because thats nonsense.

Just start to level your grid!

I don't think he was saying High rags = AQ5/6 in terms of difficulty. I think he was more just making a reference to my post about clearing AQs with SR-only teams as being doable just like solo'ing high rags is doable, but that neither would be the norm. Maybe it was a bad comparison. But considering he's aiming to try and mvp high rags with elemental weakness, I'm sure he knows the difference in difficulty levels between the two, and probably doesn't need the same thing pointed out multiple times.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Indeed they aren't. What you are saying is BS.
I even cleared it with off-ele.
Tbh you have almost in every element the current meta.
You are just lazy and don't have a leveled Grid.

Please don't say something like High Rags = AQ5/6 = same difficulty.
Because thats nonsense.

Just start to level your grid!

How about trying reading again. I said "clearing AQ 5th and 6th with SR himes". Moreover they are similar in "doable but not recommended" sense, not that their diff is similar

AQ6 water 2nd stage is a 1 ball boss with 5 times water dmg (normal) or aoe water dmg (raging) with 600k hp recoil dmg

I already cleared all non water AQ6/GO with fire team anyway. All other element except water is not a problem. My problem is I need another thing to deal with all water content, and my thunder grid will take ways too much effort to be able to do it

I have almost all Hime needed for other ele, but then that ele cant even compared to my fire team anyway so why bother? (If you mention tower, I already cleared upto 12-14th floor of past towers ) That's why go all the way with fire is my way to go.

I'd still like to see a pic of your current thunder wpns grid if possible, just as a reference for myself to know what you're working with. I've seen the pic of your himes already.

Just for my personal curiosity, since when AQ5s finally come here, I'll have a better idea of what to expect I guess. My other post shows my current team/grid equipped for thunder as well. I want to figure out how that might fare against AQ5s roughly. :>

Is it that you don't have any thunder SSR wpns farmed from past events? Or just haven't SL'ed them? If you have the weapons, but just haven't SL'ed them yet, then it shouldn't be a problem. You can just SL them later on and should then no longer have any problem with any water content with the himes you have. If you don't have the weapons at all though, then yea, I guess that could be a problem, unless you whale up gacha wpns to put in your grid. Is that what you mean when you say it would be too much effort?