Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by MagicSpice

Really Nutaku?

That's on DMM, Nutaku does zero development on core game mechanics. Possibly not even when it comes to events and such, though we can't really tell what happens behind the scenes.

Originally Posted by Mirai

I think Water will be better for my budget based on what everyone is saying. If you don't mind, can you explain to me what you mean by Water UE and Rudra's revival? Totally newbie here

For my two pennies, I agree that Water is easier to start with. In general Water SRs are higher quality, and same with their SSRs should you randomly luck one out.

UE = Union Event. These events are great for players in decent Unions, but absolutely terrible for players who are in weak Unions or outside Unions entirely. I'm not sure if a new player can expect to find their way into a Union that can feed you all the rewards for free... if you can find one, you'll gain a HUGE boost to your Rudra account though.

"Rudra" revival was most likely referring to Rahab revival, which is a Water Advent event. It's probably too soon for you to clear Ultimate Advents at that point though, so it won't be a massive boost to you, but absolutely much better than nothing.

And just to add something:

Please do not mtix Nike U.

... that's not enough emphasis.

PLEASE DO NOT MTIX NIKE U

Heals are good for newbies sure, but you can cover that with Andromeda as a soul first. Nike U falls short very quickly when it comes to overall water setup in late game because she does literally nothing but heal while other functions she has, literally everyone does better. And you don't want to be wasting 50 bucks on a time-limited money-costing hime just to ease through early content... only to find yourself stuck in higher level content.

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

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Heals are good for newbies sure, but you can cover that with Andromeda as a soul first. --

Cassiopeia*

Please don't encourage new players to fall into the Andromeda trap

Originally Posted by Slashley

Cassiopeia*

Please don't encourage new players to fall into the Andromeda trap

Ah right, nice catch.

Big sweat

Switch the phrasing. Andromeda later on, if you really find yourself struggling with heals.

Edit: As a side note, do remember that early content drops potions that you can use to heal. As far as raids go, you can get carried and get a free team heal once by using the emotes. So frankly speaking, as a newbie there's options for healing outside of... Nike U.

Seriously though fuck Nike U. She just got a buff in DMM and she still fucking sucks.

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

And just to add something:

Please do not mtix Nike U.

... that's not enough emphasis.

PLEASE DO NOT MTIX NIKE U

Heals are good for newbies sure, but you can cover that with Andromeda as a soul first. Nike U falls short very quickly when it comes to overall water setup in late game because she does literally nothing but heal while other functions she has, literally everyone does better. And you don't want to be wasting 50 bucks on a time-limited money-costing hime just to ease through early content... only to find yourself stuck in higher level content.

Thanks for the clarification. What soul should I be saving soul points for a water team?

Originally Posted by Mirai

Thanks for the clarification. What soul should I be saving soul points for a water team?

The general progression goes:

Gawain (for her A frame def down debuff) > Mordred/ D'Artagnan > things after you get both

Mordred is a debuff spam soul, and will likely be of use to you from low to mid level content until you get access to relic weapons (that topic is basically for another day).

D'Art has 2 purposes: snatch (increases drop rate of items, will be useful in events such as advent, or in daily quests), and her sniper shot debuff, which drops in a hefty 20% B frame atk and def down, which is definitely another useful thing to have. On another note, her self-heal gives her a slight bit of survivability edge over Mordred early game. You'll eventually want to switch to Mord tho.

I think Slashley did a breakdown of this for newbies some time ago? I forgot if he did it on a post or thread. Slash?

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

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I think Slashley did a breakdown of this for newbies some time ago? I forgot if he did it on a post or thread. Slash?

That would be this thread.

It will probably hold true forever, at least until we get Soul changes, which I don't think we will get. Once we hit Second Anniversary I'll probably need to slightly modify it for age of Shingen, but since it takes new players a whopping six months to get their hands on Shingen... ... ...
DMM WHY YOU NERF HOLY SOUL POINT GAIN

Originally Posted by Slashley

That would be this thread.

It will probably hold true forever, at least until we get Soul changes, which I don't think we will get. Once we hit Second Anniversary I'll probably need to slightly modify it for age of Shingen, but since it takes new players a whopping six months to get their hands on Shingen... ... ...
DMM WHY YOU NERF HOLY SOUL POINT GAIN

There's a UE drought near the end of this year in DMM too... so...

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Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

The general progression goes:

Gawain (for her A frame def down debuff) > Mordred/ D'Artagnan > things after you get both

Mordred is a debuff spam soul, and will likely be of use to you from low to mid level content until you get access to relic weapons (that topic is basically for another day).

D'Art has 2 purposes: snatch (increases drop rate of items, will be useful in events such as advent, or in daily quests), and her sniper shot debuff, which drops in a hefty 20% B frame atk and def down, which is definitely another useful thing to have. On another note, her self-heal gives her a slight bit of survivability edge over Mordred early game. You'll eventually want to switch to Mord tho.

I think Slashley did a breakdown of this for newbies some time ago? I forgot if he did it on a post or thread. Slash?

Nowdays it's Mordred=>Cassy=>Herc=>Gawain/D'arty/Joan=>any other. Herc is just too strong to avoid. On HS - Shingen first, then Morgan.
Join rognarok raids to leech items (if you will join water rag - just use your active skills and stop - you will decrease damage for top tier players, read a thread for mechanics). First relic weapon must be Herc axe.
P.S. Do anyone know, when Mordred was reworked (chance of all outrage debuffs application except hearths become 100% with VoF)? it makes ambush not needed at all for beginners.
p. p. s. No ele advantage needed, just no ele disadvantage+ VoF. Mordred + ambush combo... i was always thinking that outrage has aframe def + attack debuffs so it doesn't stack with ambush, just with ss. Cass before Mordred.. i would say that Nike is ok heal at first lvls. Mordred is so huge power spike so i recomend to get her ASAP. She may almost double your damage vs single target with bad grid.
just tried Mordred+ ambush - outrage is realy bframe... wierd, but even then i would recomend to get Gawain after Mordred and Cassy and if you don't have at least 15% aframe debuff from hime.

Originally Posted by Mraktar

Nowdays it's Mordred=>Cassy=>Herc=>Gawain/D'arty/Joan=>any other. Herc is just too strong to avoid. On HS - Shingen first, then Morgan.

I dunno, I'd say that Gawain and Cass are before Mordred. Ambush is just super good and Gawain is cheap. Cass since heals are very good for brand new players and she's also very cheap, plus Dispel is an absolute requirement for SOME content. This might not always apply, but uh, you'll really like Cass for Rahab as a weaker player. And that's coming up soon.

Originally Posted by Mraktar

P.S. Do anyone know, when Mordred was reworked (chance of all outrage debuffs application except hearths become 100% with VoF)? it makes ambush not needed at all for beginners.

News to me. Does that include Blind? And does this require elemental advantage?
And what does Ambush have to do with it? Ambush stacks with Outrage, so -30% Def Down is plenty better than -10% Def Down from Outrage alone.