Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Dejnov

Dark usually runs better with Herc; you can always take Provisional Forest with them. You need a team loadout for GO and for Catastrophe battles (Ultimate and Ragnorok). Right now the AQ quests aren't usually hard enough that they have to be much different than the Catastrophe load outs (but that would be a potential third). So that works out to 2 load outs for standard run strong teams.

Since my best elements are Dark, Light, and Water. I have 2 Dark teams (AQ and all Cats, and GO), 1 Light team (always Shingen always Encourage Inspiration), and 1 Water team for Fire Cats. The other elements aren't really strong enough even with elemental advantage to keep anything other than a standard 'best of' team. Nearly everything defaults to the Dark standard team (not GO) other than when I'm running the Light team. The Light team with Shingen and Encourage are also used for GO, where the tactic is just to burst often and always. When I can actually figure out a stronger load out for them, I might work to having dedicated teams for them, but not yet.


Dejnov.

Under what circumstances do I want to take Provisional Forest? Without Trial by Jury my Darks only have -20% for Atk Down, and my Fires would have 0%. I was under the impression that it was best to try and get Atk and Def debuffs as deep as you could before anything else. Which is also why my Lights have Ambush instead of Encourage Inspiration.

And do I really need a separate Dark team for Guild Orders when my Lights are doing okay at it? I mean it wouldn't hurt, but at the moment my dark weapons are very underskilled since I've been focusing on Lights since they're my main and Fire for the upcoming Tower.

Right now I've got one team of every element plus a second Light team, a leveling team for doing experience quests (just whatever needs to grow), and a team for daily gem quests featuring Mithra. The other slots are more or less open. My Lights are my best, Darks are probably second-best, and then I don't know between Fire or Water for my third-best. My Wind team is hopeless, and my Lightnings would take a lot of investment, but my Fires and Waters probably only need one or two Miracle Tickets each to turn into something nice.

Originally Posted by Argo

Under what circumstances do I want to take Provisional Forest? Without Trial by Jury my Darks only have -20% for Atk Down, and my Fires would have 0%. I was under the impression that it was best to try and get Atk and Def debuffs as deep as you could before anything else. Which is also why my Lights have Ambush instead of Encourage Inspiration.

And do I really need a separate Dark team for Guild Orders when my Lights are doing okay at it? I mean it wouldn't hurt, but at the moment my dark weapons are very underskilled since I've been focusing on Lights since they're my main and Fire for the upcoming Tower.

Right now I've got one team of every element plus a second Light team, a leveling team for doing experience quests (just whatever needs to grow), and a team for daily gem quests featuring Mithra. The other slots are more or less open. My Lights are my best, Darks are probably second-best, and then I don't know between Fire or Water for my third-best. My Wind team is hopeless, and my Lightnings would take a lot of investment, but my Fires and Waters probably only need one or two Miracle Tickets each to turn into something nice.

I would take Provisional Forest with Herc on the Dark team when you have Satan Awakened and the MLBed Herc axe. That will get you -50% Def down and now you can buff overall damage. It is better to get the ATK and DEF debuffs first over Provisional Forest. The only time it works better is for Light where you can take both Provisional Forest and also Sniper Shot (Shingen soul with EX Sniper Shot).

If your Light is your main, you want to work on thinking if you can do more than one load out for Light. But it all really depends on how deep your Hime bench is with Light. If you have just 4 SSRs, you probably only have one good load out for Light. It won't mean having multiple teams until you get 5 or 6 SSRs that can switch in depending upon the job. Example: For my Dark team I have both Satan Awakened and Samael. Both give -25% DEF down, but Samael does it all (for 120 sec), while Satan has it for longer (180 sec) and a Black Propagnda skill. I switch them depending on whether it's a single fight (Satan) or groups (Samael).


Dark is a great second choice for Light... it helps when you have to do Light Catastrophes and Accessory Quests.


Dejnov.

Originally Posted by Dejnov

I would take Provisional Forest with Herc on the Dark team when you have Satan Awakened and the MLBed Herc axe. That will get you -50% Def down and now you can buff overall damage. It is better to get the ATK and DEF debuffs first over Provisional Forest. The only time it works better is for Light where you can take both Provisional Forest and also Sniper Shot (Shingen soul with EX Sniper Shot).

If your Light is your main, you want to work on thinking if you can do more than one load out for Light. But it all really depends on how deep your Hime bench is with Light. If you have just 4 SSRs, you probably only have one good load out for Light. It won't mean having multiple teams until you get 5 or 6 SSRs that can switch in depending upon the job. Example: For my Dark team I have both Satan Awakened and Samael. Both give -25% DEF down, but Samael does it all (for 120 sec), while Satan has it for longer (180 sec) and a Black Propagnda skill. I switch them depending on whether it's a single fight (Satan) or groups (Samael).


Dark is a great second choice for Light... it helps when you have to do Light Catastrophes and Accessory Quests.


Dejnov.

Between Satan Awakened and Dark Amaterasu I already have -45% def down. If that last 5% can be overlooked, I could take Shingen as my Soul directly for Provisional Forest, then use either Trial by Jury to hit -40% Atk down or Encourage Inspiration for faster bursts. Would that work better than Herc, or do I need that last 5%?
And if I have Amaterasu's Black Propaganda-like skill and Satan's Darkness Lost to control overdrives, are they fine without TbJ or is getting that -40% Atk more important than Provisional Forest for Herc or Encourage Inspiration for Shingen?

My Light SSR himes include:
Sol Awakened, Michael Awakened, Tishtrya, Light Tsukuyomi, Eros, Frey, Atum, and Santa Satan. The first six are my team. Since Sniper Shot overlaps with Tish's debuffs I use Ambush instead.

My Dark SSRs include:
Satan Awakened, Dark Amaterasu, Chernobog, Osiris, Samael, Kali, and Thanatos. Again, the first six are my team. Sadly, no Hades or Pluto.

Originally Posted by Argo

Between Satan Awakened and Dark Amaterasu I already have -45% def down. If that last 5% can be overlooked, I could take Shingen as my Soul directly for Provisional Forest, then use either Trial by Jury to hit -40% Atk down or Encourage Inspiration for faster bursts. Would that work better than Herc, or do I need that last 5%?

And if I have Amaterasu's Black Propaganda-like skill and Satan's Darkness Lost to control overdrives, are they fine without TbJ or is getting that -40% Atk more important than Provisional Forest for Herc or Encourage Inspiration for Shingen?

-45% Def down is fine. I'd definitely use either Herc with the Axe or Shingen with Encourage Inspiration. With both Osiris and the Inspiration, the Dark team is actually decently fast. Atk down isn't nearly as needed as Def down. After you get Provisional Forest, the whole goal is to kill fast. If you reduce the rounds dramatically in a combat and burst hard, that's the same as ATK down.

Originally Posted by Argo

My Light SSR himes include:
Sol Awakened, Michael Awakened, Tishtrya, Light Tsukuyomi, Eros, Frey, Atum, and Santa Satan. The first six are my team. Since Sniper Shot overlaps with Tish's debuffs I use Ambush instead.

My Dark SSRs include:
Satan Awakened, Dark Amaterasu, Chernobog, Osiris, Samael, Kali, and Thanatos. Again, the first six are my team. Sadly, no Hades or Pluto.

You'll probably want to stick with Ambush on the Light Team as -30% DEF down is fairly light. OTOH I'm currently running a Light team similar to yours with Artemis instead of Tsuku and I only have -35% DEF down. Using Encourage Inspiration to just hit faster seems to be working out fine for me (but I actually can't use Ambush since Artemis has an A-frame DEF down).


The Dark team is also fairly close to my Dark team, but Dark Amaterasu is a great addition. You can definitely try Shingen with that team as you have no use for Sniper Shot. I'd swap Samael in for Satan Awakened for GO actions, but that is a solid team. I also fully skill leveled Chernobog and Osiris' weapons. They are Assault/Defender. Even at level 50 you're getting more stats than any level 85 SR in your grid. Even Samael's Hammer, Dark Amaterasu's Mirror and Thanatos' Necro Joker are damn nice. If you skill raise all of those, you'll come close to a fairly strong grid (probably a lot stronger than your Light grid) and you can run that team as confidently as the Light one. Having 10 assault and 8+ defender skills at full level works wonders - even if the base hit points and assault are not there due to only having the weapons at level 50. It's something Light grids can't as easily do (as Tish's weapon currently sucks and a lot of the other ones are not Assault/Defender combos).


Dejnov.


P.S. I should also mention that Frey's, Eros', and Atum's weapons are also Assault/Defender. Raise those and stick them in your grid over any SR and even single skill SSRs or one's that don't have both Assault and Defender. The percent bonus will overcome the 75 levels of base assault you're missing.

Originally Posted by Dejnov

-45% Def down is fine. I'd definitely use either Herc with the Axe or Shingen with Encourage Inspiration. With both Osiris and the Inspiration, the Dark team is actually decently fast. Atk down isn't nearly as needed as Def down. After you get Provisional Forest, the whole goal is to kill fast. If you reduce the rounds dramatically in a combat and burst hard, that's the same as ATK down.

Okay, I'll try the team without TbJ for now then. But if both Herc with PF or Shingen with EI work, then I don't know whose Soul Weapon to buy ;__;

You'll probably want to stick with Ambush on the Light Team as -30% DEF down is fairly light. OTOH I'm currently running a Light team similar to yours with Artemis instead of Tsuku and I only have -35% DEF down. Using Encourage Inspiration to just hit faster seems to be working out fine for me (but I actually can't use Ambush since Artemis has an A-frame DEF down).

Is Artemis worth using my next M.Ticket for? My current team is fast and hits -50% Def down, so I don't think she's necessary, right? I'd rather use the next one on either my Darks, Fires, or Waters.

The Dark team is also fairly close to my Dark team, but Dark Amaterasu is a great addition. You can definitely try Shingen with that team as you have no use for Sniper Shot. I'd swap Samael in for Satan Awakened for GO actions, but that is a solid team. I also fully skill leveled Chernobog and Osiris' weapons. They are Assault/Defender. Even at level 50 you're getting more stats than any level 85 SR in your grid. Even Samael's Hammer, Dark Amaterasu's Mirror and Thanatos' Necro Joker are damn nice. If you skill raise all of those, you'll come close to a fairly strong grid (probably a lot stronger than your Light grid) and you can run that team as confidently as the Light one. Having 10 assault and 8+ defender skills at full level works wonders - even if the base hit points and assault are not there due to only having the weapons at level 50. It's something Light grids can't as easily do (as Tish's weapon currently sucks and a lot of the other ones are not Assault/Defender combos).


Dejnov.


P.S. I should also mention that Frey's, Eros', and Atum's weapons are also Assault/Defender. Raise those and stick them in your grid over any SR and even single skill SSRs or one's that don't have both Assault and Defender. The percent bonus will overcome the 75 levels of base assault you're missing.

Wow, really? I've been ignoring most of my non-broken SSRs. If they have at least one break like my Satan's and Samael's weapons I've worked on them a little bit, but I thought base power was more important. I definitely have room for more SSRs in my dark grid if they're better than my SRs.
Oh, and like I mentioned earlier the Dark UE Axe in my grid is 3-star, and I have two more copies. Should I put the others to 1-star and raise it up too? Will there be events I can get more copies?

Attached are my Dark and Light grids. There's plenty of SRs I could drop for the weapons of Amaterasu, Thanatos, Kali, Chernobog, and/or Osiris. It'll take a while to level up their skills, though. Do you think I should switch focus to those, or keep working on leveling my Fire weapons for the Tower?

And there isn't much room on my Light Grid. The SR lance is giving Shingen a preferred weapon boost - is that still worth swapping out for Atum and Frey's weapons? I just got those two SRs to skill level 17 and 18, too...at what skill level on the SSRs would I want to swap them in over the SRs?

Just don’t care about anything and go full light. I don’t get why you have phoenix bow but no UE weapon at all. Your MT should be Lugh next and Iris later. Use all your brick for Mike and Tish and Lugh lance so you can run null lance.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Just don’t care about anything and go full light. I don’t get why you have phoenix bow but no UE weapon at all. Your MT should be Lugh next and Iris later. Use all your brick for Mike and Tish and Lugh lance so you can run null lance.

I can't FLB that Phoenix Bow though since I don't have event materials. Didn't know they were necessary until after it ended and I'd spent everything.

It was only my brother and I working in our Union, so the vast majority of my union weapons are poor. I have only a single copy each of Proud Axe Lumina Banish and Light Staff of Guilty Pride. Will there be more events where I could get more copies now that we've joined a larger union?

I don't have any Phantom weapons, so I'd rather not make plans around them. My luck is notoriously bad. I was planning to use my Tower earnings to get bricks for Michael's lance, though. Wasn't sure what to do after that, if I should work on Tish's or a different element's weapons.

Argo has recommended I take my questions to the forums, so here I am. I'm looking to make my Lightning team worth a damn as it's practically my weakest team. I've just managed to obtain enough Regalia for a Soul Weapon, and am curious what I should spend it on. A long time ago, I purchased Charles' Thunder Blaster, though that was probably because that was all that was out at the time.
Nowadays, I have much better Hime and every Soul except Shingen. With only 90/600 HSP, she's not going to be available for a long time.

My current set up (I swear I didn't mean to pun like that!) is Arthur, Marduk, Raiko, Tyr (Awakened), and Gryla; with [Thunder Witch] Michael and Thor in reserve. Arthur has Olean Call, though I don't know why, it's been a while since I've used this team. Main Eidolon is a 1star Kirin, and my Grid is shit.




According to my brother, I'll have to work on those SSR weapons even if they don't have and breaks in them. In fact, I'll pay more attention and do that for all my teams.

So basically, what I'd like to know is:

1. If I should buy a new Soul Weapon, maybe for Mordred or Andromeda, or should I break the one I have for D'Art?
2. Should I stick with Gryla for heals or bring in Andromeda or the Sol I just got from this last MTick?

the fact that you have kirin and your thunder is the weakest element make me believe that you have 100% eido for other element too. Which mean you not gonna invest your MT on BaalU which make your team can’t run shingen. So i would say Herc is ok for your thunder team because it gonna stay shit forever because you already miss so many UE weapon

As for healing opption for your thunder team. If i were you i will go fuck heal and run Cyclops instead of Gryla. But if you still want to use thunder for s o m e r e a s o n. Then Sol AW is a good opption. Adro is for supporting Warag

Originally Posted by Quarters

Argo has recommended I take my questions to the forums, so here I am. I'm looking to make my Lightning team worth a damn as it's practically my weakest team. I've just managed to obtain enough Regalia for a Soul Weapon, and am curious what I should spend it on. A long time ago, I purchased Charles' Thunder Blaster, though that was probably because that was all that was out at the time.
Nowadays, I have much better Hime and every Soul except Shingen. With only 90/600 HSP, she's not going to be available for a long time.

My current set up (I swear I didn't mean to pun like that!) is Arthur, Marduk, Raiko, Tyr (Awakened), and Gryla; with [Thunder Witch] Michael and Thor in reserve. Arthur has Olean Call, though I don't know why, it's been a while since I've used this team. Main Eidolon is a 1star Kirin, and my Grid is shit.




According to my brother, I'll have to work on those SSR weapons even if they don't have and breaks in them. In fact, I'll pay more attention and do that for all my teams.

So basically, what I'd like to know is:

1. If I should buy a new Soul Weapon, maybe for Mordred or Andromeda, or should I break the one I have for D'Art?
2. Should I stick with Gryla for heals or bring in Andromeda or the Sol I just got from this last MTick?

With Marduk, Raiko and Tyr you're fairly fast (even possibly Shingen fast). I'd replace Gryla with Thor (paralysis) and just take the hits. You should run Hercules with her Axe (at the least) and work to limit breaking that. It'll get you -25% DEF (which you're missing right now).

As recommended to your brother, any SSR weapon with both Assault/Defender should be leveled and also skill raised immediately. That means Raiko's and Marduk's are the first you should go for. An awesome choice is Raiko's; it gives Assault++/Pride which is all offense! Raise that shit first. Your team should benefit greatly just from that.

If you really need some healing, you can give Hercules Perdu lab and hope that keeps you going. Or use Orlean Call, but I wouldn't use Andromeda as your base soul. She'll slow you down and keep getting you killed. You need a soul that's fast in your first slot. That's either Shingen or Hercules. And either soul weapon is a solid long term investment.

Dejnov.


P.S. As above, MTix for Baal Unleashed for your 4th slot. Screw healing and just go all assault with Lightning.