Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Slashley

The encyclopedia in Sanahtlig's toolbox gives you a quick peek on all the SSRs.

Oh neat, it's B frame, so she stacks with Ryu-oh and I don't need Sniper Shot anymore. But since I don't need Black Propaganda there either, I dunno what skill to put there. Ryu-oh and Nike U's debuffs clash, but unless the -50% is really important I can probably move Atalanta into a sub slot and start working on getting Herc's axe to take her place. Noice.
Don't like the BG reduction on her triple attack buff, though. Might cause more problems than it solves. Oh well.

So how does a team of Cybele, Ryu-Oh, Asherah, and Niku U up front sound? With Saraswati and Atalanta/Ea as subs?

Originally Posted by Argo

Oh neat, it's B frame, so she stacks with Ryu-oh and I don't need Sniper Shot anymore. But since I don't need Black Propaganda there either, I dunno what skill to put there. Ryu-oh and Nike U's debuffs clash, but unless the -50% is really important I can probably move Atalanta into a sub slot and start working on getting Herc's axe to take her place. Noice.
Don't like the BG reduction on her triple attack buff, though. Might cause more problems than it solves. Oh well.

So how does a team of Cybele, Ryu-Oh, Asherah, and Niku U up front sound? With Saraswati and Atalanta/Ea as subs?

Yeah thats sound pretty balanced team, but getting them (especially Cybele) might be REALLY challenging. And as you said earlier, Ryu's and Nike's debuff are in the same frame. I might run for the combination of Ryu and Aphro instead, but would lose the water atk up after Nike's burst and in order to make it in maximal performance, at least she must be in the first row though it can be covered by Asherah. And Cybele works well on GO's and ToM for trashing the mobs. But well you know how drop rates are lies right?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Yeah thats sound pretty balanced team, but getting them (especially Cybele) might be REALLY challenging. And as you said earlier, Ryu's and Nike's debuff are in the same frame. I might run for the combination of Ryu and Aphro instead, but would lose the water atk up after Nike's burst and in order to make it in maximal performance, at least she must be in the first row though it can be covered by Asherah. And Cybele works well on GO's and ToM for trashing the mobs. But well you know how drop rates are lies right?

Getting them isn't the problem, those are the SSRs I have. I'd definitely swap Nike for Afro if I had her. Can't believe I got Cybele on that whim roll.
I have a hard time understanding your phrasing though - are you saying I should have Nike and Ashera in the front line, with Cybele and Ryu-oh in the back row?
And what skill do you think I should give Herc since I don't need Sniper Shot or Black Propaganda?

I know it's not KH building team section but... welp

So my dark has 3 SSR: Amon, Hades (unawakened cuz i'm broke thanks to Metatron) and Agaliarept.
SR: Paimon, Manes, Proserpina, Lu Bu, Bastet, Keifa, Nyarlatothep, Cernunnos, Rangda, Meretseger, Beelzebub, Eligos, Pale Rider and Ereshkigar.
Meanwhile my R: Kushinada, Ratri, Mokosh, Neith, Mephistopheles, Ceres, Astaroth, Apep and Naberius.

If I using souls like Arthur/Shingen/Morgan and Sol as my healing machine, then could you arrange the best KH arrangement for my dark team?

Originally Posted by Argo

Getting them isn't the problem, those are the SSRs I have. I'd definitely swap Nike for Afro if I had her. Can't believe I got Cybele on that whim roll.
I have a hard time understanding your phrasing though - are you saying I should have Nike and Ashera in the front line, with Cybele and Ryu-oh in the back row?
And what skill do you think I should give Herc since I don't need Sniper Shot or Black Propaganda?

Well, yeah unless if you have that aqua kaiser dragoon, then Nike has to be in front. That applies to someone who has elemental attack up to allies like Amon or another unleashed story kamis (wait, do Cybele and Baal has the effect?) This might be a suck strategy tho.. sorry T-T

Herc ex skill? Well since PF can be handle by Asherah's but I somehow go to PF again. Hpw much Asherah's stacking btw, 20%/3T? In order to get to the max cap (500% right? Beyond that it's impossible, isn't it?) you should at least do like 25 times and it's like 75 turns right? So combining PF and her stack, you can burst easier.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Well, yeah unless if you have that aqua kaiser dragoon, then Nike has to be in front. That applies to someone who has elemental attack up to allies like Amon or another unleashed story kamis (wait, do Cybele and Baal has the effect?) This might be a suck strategy tho.. sorry T-T

Herc ex skill? Well since PF can be handle by Asherah's but I somehow go to PF again. Hpw much Asherah's stacking btw, 20%/3T? In order to get to the max cap (500% right? Beyond that it's impossible, isn't it?) you should at least do like 25 times and it's like 75 turns right? So combining PF and her stack, you can burst easier.

Asherah's buff is 20% Burst DMG per stack until she reaches level 75, at which point it becomes 30% per stack. Cooldown is always 3T.

As I've personally experienced with my water team using Shingen, however, it's not a replacement for Provisional Forest's 200% Burst DMG (takes 21 turns at least to reach/exceed that, and you'll want to burst LONG before then). It DOES compliment it, however, and lets you easily hit closer to burst caps in the absence of Exceed (and even WITH Exceed). Regardless, though, you don't want to use PF with Hercules unless you KNOW you won't need that EX slot for anything else, since the EX slot is mainly meant to be used to cover whatever your team is lacking (ex: Trail by Jury/Ambush if you don't have A-frame ATK/DEF down, or BP if you can't outpace mode gauges).

Greetings!

New guy here, although I have been playing this game casually for a few months. Kinda stumbled through early content, and after I took a break for a few weeks I found this forum and realized: holy crap, there is a lot that this game offers, and it goes far deeper than I could have imagined.

So a few questions as I rev back up to a decent pace for the game:

(1) The newbie question: Would people recommend to focus solely on one element for team building, or can I spread out to 2 or 3? What elements, in each case? (I spent a fair bit early on so I can field a "decent" team for each element, but I am trying to cut back on the gacha a bit.)

(2) The current money question: (a) Is Summer Sol worth chasing for, seeing as I have Brynhildr? Or should I wait for a regular pool SSR Fire healer?

(3) A build question: What is priority in team building? I've seen people advocate for maxing out weapons, accessory slots, eidolons, etc. and I look at the sheer amount of work required for all that and think "this may be impossible for the amount of time I can put in," so some advice for progression is welcome.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by hyugaricdeau

(1) The newbie question: Would people recommend to focus solely on one element for team building, or can I spread out to 2 or 3? What elements, in each case? (I spent a fair bit early on so I can field a "decent" team for each element, but I am trying to cut back on the gacha a bit.)

Focus on one element first, then focus on the element that is its opposite (fire/thunder, wind/water, light/dark). The reason is that it takes a lot of resources to get one element's weapons grid up, and a fully leveled weapons grid (slvl fodder being the bottleneck usually) deals much more dmg than an unleveled grid even when considering elemental advantages. Put differently, you'll have a much easier time clearing content with one strong team that is off-element than six mediocre teams on-element.

Also, key to decent team is weapons and eidolons - a team with all SRs but fully upgraded disaster SR grid easily trounce an all SSR team with SR weapons all sitting at slvl 1. Good hime selection is important, but it acts more like a multiplier - if your base stats and assault values suck, a high multiplier isn't gonna save you.

You want to focus on the opposite element next (or concurrently depending on events schedule) 'cos elemental disadvantage is difficult to overcome with just a well decked out grid (exceptions are light and dark, which suffer no elemental disadvantages.)

When you get past the mid-game however (defined as around the time when you're clearing AQ5 in this context) you will want to start building out all 6 elements if you want to be competitive though (or if you're lazy like me, just upgrade the other elements whenever a tower event rolls around.)

Just realized that you are also asking about which elements to main:

This one is hard to answer without knowing what you already have. If you own any 100%+ eidolons, you should main that element. If not, go with the element where you have the 'core' himes (for fire it's Uriel and Svarog, light it's Michael and Tishtrya, though Sol is good, too, for dark, mmm, don't main dark unless you have Anubis, for other elements you will have to ask others, 'cos I don't keep up with developments outside of light himes.)

(2) The current money question: (a) Is Summer Sol worth chasing for, seeing as I have Brynhildr? Or should I wait for a regular pool SSR Fire healer?

Eh, does fire even have another healer? Closest one I can think of is Amaterasu, but her value is more dmg mitigation, the heal is just bonus. In any case, Summer Sol is NOT worth chasing for because:
1. Fire teams are much better suited to hit hard and fast, so most ppl forgo heal once their grid is up to spec
2. More importantly, you can easily sink thousands of dollars and not pull the specific character you want

(3) A build question: What is priority in team building? I've seen people advocate for maxing out weapons, accessory slots, eidolons, etc. and I look at the sheer amount of work required for all that and think "this may be impossible for the amount of time I can put in," so some advice for progression is welcome.

Do you have a full SR assault disaster grid yet? If not, that is your absolute first priority. As you farm disaster weapons, you'll get a lot of those SR disaster eidolons. Sell all of them and that will naturally put you in a position to buy whatever eidolons you need for your element from the eidolon shop. If you do events regularly, you should have sufficient eidolon enhance mats to upgrade all the eidolons without additional effort.

Accessories are important, but weapons and eidolons come first (not to mention you probably can't even clear any AQ until you have a somewhat functional grid.)

If you want to move from gacha-reliant to more f2p/dolphin territory, you need to do all the events, UE being probably the most important one as those give the best f2p weapons. Tower is also very important if you eventually want a good end-game grid without breaking the bank.


tl;dr - focus on one element for now, don't buy gachas that don't guarantee anything (the SR guarantee doesn't count), do events to make a good weapons and eidolon grid.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Well, yeah unless if you have that aqua kaiser dragoon, then Nike has to be in front. That applies to someone who has elemental attack up to allies like Amon or another unleashed story kamis (wait, do Cybele and Baal has the effect?) This might be a suck strategy tho.. sorry T-T

Not sure if I follow this. What does kaiser have to do with hime ordering? Usually you order himes by speed to optimize time to burst, but if I'm not mistaken, all the himes in consideration here are pretty much the same speed (exception is water Cybele, depends on whether you cleanse her debuff.) In that case, I usually order by AAB consideration, which is you want all the buffers up front and as many red abilities towards the rear as possible to maximize dmg output. So yes, you would want buffers like Nike in front of Ryu-Oh who has all red abilities.

Originally Posted by ChronosNotashi

Regardless, though, you don't want to use PF with Hercules unless you KNOW you won't need that EX slot for anything else, since the EX slot is mainly meant to be used to cover whatever your team is lacking (ex: Trail by Jury/Ambush if you don't have A-frame ATK/DEF down, or BP if you can't outpace mode gauges).

Ryu-Oh covers all three of those already and water Cybele covers frame B debuffs, so Ex PF is perfectly reasonable here. Just make sure you get Herc's axe, PF is hard to pull off otherwise. If you LB the axe, you can also hit the def down cap upon burst with that water team.

Another possibility for Ex is the skill that blocks an affliction (forgot its name) - normally it's a very bad skill to use as it's single target only, but since you pretty much have everything covered here, having the block up on water Cybele before using her 3rd skill can make her a burst leader instead of in the back row.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I know it's not KH building team section but... welp

So my dark has 3 SSR: Amon, Hades (unawakened cuz i'm broke thanks to Metatron) and Agaliarept.
SR: Paimon, Manes, Proserpina, Lu Bu, Bastet, Keifa, Nyarlatothep, Cernunnos, Rangda, Meretseger, Beelzebub, Eligos, Pale Rider and Ereshkigar.
Meanwhile my R: Kushinada, Ratri, Mokosh, Neith, Mephistopheles, Ceres, Astaroth, Apep and Naberius.

If I using souls like Arthur/Shingen/Morgan and Sol as my healing machine, then could you arrange the best KH arrangement for my dark team?

You can't build a 'best' team without knowing what you're up against. Also, are those your only legendary souls? It's unusual to have unlocked Shingen and Morgan without having unlocking most of the other souls already. Here a few things to consider:

• It looks like you have no one with frame B debuffs, so if you're going against stuff that can be debuffed, you probably want to Ex Sniper Shot, since you have neither Samael or Satan AW to pair with Amon U to hit the def down cap
• You have enough himes such that dropping Sol probably makes sense (unless your Sol is AW? but even then...) If you can't just run something over with FB, you might want to consider using Manes for heal or just block the dmg with Cernunnos instead so your entire team can make use of dark weapon skills (I'm assuming you're running a dark weapons grid and not a rainbow grid or something)
• Morgan is not a good match for what you have here, not enough DATA to make rampaging better than bursting with Shingen