Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by dreamlitz

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Dmg = base atk * (1 + assault) * (1 + elemental) * (1 + special atk) * bunch of other stuff that
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While you are not wrong, that looks very intimidating towards people who aren't mathematically inclined. I tend to say it in simpler terms:

Damage is CharacterAtk*ElementalAtk, when super simplified. So the one which is better is the one you have less of.

Originally Posted by dreamlitz

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Note about Lilim: her char atk only applies if you have 3 different elements on your main team (subs dun count.) So if someone dies and you no longer have 3 different elements, you get zero bonus from her.

Another note about Lilims: 90% Character Atk for 3/5 units is NOT good. It's basically "regain the damage output that you lost"

It is extremely difficult to make Lilim builds work. Please don't even try.

Originally Posted by Slashley

It is extremely difficult to make Lilim builds work. Please don't even try.

Hmmmm... How about builds using the phantom Lilim?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hmmmm... How about builds using the phantom Lilim?

Nope. Same problem, your Grid can only properly support 3 of the units. However, caveat here, for very new players WITHOUT a single proper Grid, Phantom Lilim might be okay-ish. Especially if you have good debuffers off-element like Ryu-Oh or something.

Because that is a very, very, VERY narrow niche, please use your Phantom Support slot for Drop+ Eidolons, namely Vlad/Anzu/Sleipnir.

Has anyone done any good analysis/drop logging for farming events on ap 20 vs ap 30 for rainbow drops per ap spent?

The rumor people repeat is ap20 is better for drops in the long run for total ap spent, but I've yet to see any indication where that originated from. Is it just an old wives tale?

Originally Posted by Slashley

Nope. Same problem, your Grid can only properly support 3 of the units. However, caveat here, for very new players WITHOUT a single proper Grid, Phantom Lilim might be okay-ish. Especially if you have good debuffers off-element like Ryu-Oh or something.

Because that is a very, very, VERY narrow niche, please use your Phantom Support slot for Drop+ Eidolons, namely Vlad/Anzu/Sleipnir.

I use Phantom Lilim for my paralyze group. No Thor so i have to use several paralyze hime (Prometheus, Baylor, and whatever the dark R is). I then add these three to my strongest grid's soul and one person from that group. I've found it works well since no one should be dieing when done right and therefore you have the damage up from the edo the whole time. So there are definitely uses for her, albeit not a lot.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Has anyone done any good analysis/drop logging for farming events on ap 20 vs ap 30 for rainbow drops per ap spent?

The rumor people repeat is ap20 is better for drops in the long run for total ap spent, but I've yet to see any indication where that originated from. Is it just an old wives tale?

Such a thing isn't possible, outside of:
1. An automated script that multiple people run and automatically combines data on some server.
2. Botting with infinite AP.

So, don't get your hopes up. It is unlikely that we'll ever know the truth. I'd just stick to the 30 AP ones.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I use Phantom Lilim for my paralyze group. No Thor so i have to use several paralyze hime (Prometheus, Baylor, and whatever the dark R is). I then add these three to my strongest grid's soul and one person from that group. I've found it works well since no one should be dieing when done right and therefore you have the damage up from the edo the whole time. So there are definitely uses for her, albeit not a lot.

Yeah, but don't delude yourself thinking that your damage is good in a setup like this. Is it more than with a non-Lilim? Yes. Is it good? Oh, hell no.

Union events are a team-fight thing, too. So one person running a Para group and another dealing the damage is probably a much better idea than trying to tailor a Para group INTO dealing damage. There's only three slots available at any time too, so you only need 4/30 people online at the same time for you to need to share the fight.

Re: 1. An automated script that multiple people run and automatically combines data on some server.


Such a script doesn't seem like it would be hard, and could be quite minimal to show that it only checks drops, and logs. Like maybe 20 lines at most.
And the data sent to the logging server would be equally visible. Would such a thing actually get used?

I'm more surprised no one has definitive data from dmm. I know nutaku could change stuff, but no one on dmm ever checked this out?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

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Such a script doesn't seem like it would be hard, and could be quite minimal to show that it only checks drops, and logs. Like maybe 20 lines at most.
And the data sent to the logging server would be equally visible. Would such a thing actually get used?--

Would it be easy to do? Probably. Are you going to do it? No? Then neither is anyone else.

There's really only two kinds of people on the internet: those who do things and those who only talk about doing things. Guess which group is the majority?