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    Quote Originally Posted by sanahtlig View Post
    It's part of the business model. The game is designed to push you at every turn to spend money. By giving players a sense that there's too much to do and too little AP to do it, it nudges players to spend on elixirs in the cash shop. Whenever you see a game design decision that seems to inconvenience players, stop and consider: how would this affect cash shop usage?
    I'm more just wondering why they choose to go this path instead of following the path many other DMM/Nutaku games have taken. I mean I haven't played all of them obviously but the majority of the ones have played and seen on Nutaku, rewards like event units (their fully unlocked versions) were obtainable if you put enough time into the game on a daily basis. The problem with this game is it seems more reliant on forcing players to wait for the reprint event. I'm not sure how much difference the exchange rates change in the future but even a paying playing would have to spend a couple hundred of dollars a month just to get everything worth getting, which I can't even see them doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aidoru View Post
    I'm more just wondering why they choose to go this path instead of following the path many other DMM/Nutaku games have taken. I mean I haven't played all of them obviously but the majority of the ones have played and seen on Nutaku, rewards like event units (their fully unlocked versions) were obtainable if you put enough time into the game on a daily basis. The problem with this game is it seems more reliant on forcing players to wait for the reprint event. I'm not sure how much difference the exchange rates change in the future but even a paying playing would have to spend a couple hundred of dollars a month just to get everything worth getting, which I can't even see them doing.
    Your typical whale would probably spend on elixirs when an event for his element came up. Not on every event.

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    So Garuda right now is 5/25/45/65/80 (220 in total) of the gold chest material for the eidolon, 0/20/50/70 (140 in total) for the ssr weapon.
    Ixion and onward (but not including Apocalypse/Phoenix reprint it seems?) changes the standard to 5/10/25/40/70 (150 in total) for the eidolon, 0/20/45/60 (125 in total) for the ssr weapon. The copper and silver chest materials needed for them also get reduced, but they're less of the bottleneck here anyway.

    Raid and union raid type events of course follow their own reward systems.

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    been wondering this for a while but cant seem to find this info anywhere... how much does "X-element assault" skill on weapon actually gives for + and ++ version of the skill per lvl?

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    Per level? It's the same, 0.5%
    The base version is (0 + 0.5*skill_level)%, so ranges from 0.5 to 10%
    + is (3+0.5*skill_level)%, for a range of 3.5 to 13%
    ++ is (6+0.5*skill_level)%, for a range of 6.5 to 16%

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanahtlig View Post
    Your typical whale would probably spend on elixirs when an event for his element came up. Not on every event.
    Yea, I would figure a lot of whales are completionists, as a habit of playing these browser games that give us completed units.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    So Garuda right now is 5/25/45/65/80 (220 in total) of the gold chest material for the eidolon, 0/20/50/70 (140 in total) for the ssr weapon.
    Ixion and onward (but not including Apocalypse/Phoenix reprint it seems?) changes the standard to 5/10/25/40/70 (150 in total) for the eidolon, 0/20/45/60 (125 in total) for the ssr weapon. The copper and silver chest materials needed for them also get reduced, but they're less of the bottleneck here anyway.

    Raid and union raid type events of course follow their own reward systems.
    Doing some guesstimate math based on ultimate drops, assuming this increased drop rate is permanent, the reduced amount seems a lot more viable for free players at least for the eidolon as going from 220 to 150 is a big savior but adding the other items still pretty much require a fair amount of time/runs that you probably won't be able to finish without hoarding elixirs or getting lucky with plat/rainbow chests. If only this game also had a larger AP pool, I'm guessing they expect players to play mobile or something. I lose so many runs because of work, sleep and other stuff cause I don't.

    I haven't bothered to look up how Raid and Union events work, which I'm still curious if they're as much of a struggle as these events are. I would really like to get a full set of grimoires for once and not spend a month just to break limit a unit or 2.
    Last edited by Aidoru; 03-22-2017 at 10:54 PM.

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    I'm picking up 2 Grimoire of Apoth per event. I'll be able to break limit my SSR next event. I had to sacrifice a SSR weapon, which I didn't really care about.

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    anyone know if D'art sniper(debuff -atk and def) stackable with Belphegor's 7 deadly sins(also debuff -atk and def)

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