Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Hello, could you give me your opinion on elite soul choice please?

This is my team for now: (+Sol who can replace Nike at times)


I usually like running with 2 healers so im leaning toward going for Andromeda and D'Artagnan later on as it seem to be the go to 2nd soul in most cases for effective farming.

Best choices for a 1st soul are between Andromeda, Mordred and Arthur (i think), is there one of these better for my setup? I kinda want Andromeda (for the look mostly and i like healer) but since my team is lacking debufss, Mordred is maybe a better choice? Also maybe i should swap a R for Sol and go with an attack soul like Arthur for more sustainable dmg? Im looking for long term usefulness so kinda lost on this.. any opinion appreciated.

If you have Sol, why aren't you using her? The only reason why you wouldnt stick Sol in a team is if you have Andromeda and/or another good healer (Nike is not: shes ok, but not great) And in your case, Sol is way better than either of Rs. As for Hero Choices... You can NEVER go wrong with Andromeda. Mordred - some bosses (like typhoon right now) have debuff cleanse, Arthur is pure dmg and one atk buff, which is not very usefull if you already have a good attacker... and in your case, you have Shiva, who not only packs a good punch, but also has exact same buff as Arthur, so if water is your main element, i dont see why you would want Arthur. I mean 100% uptime on atk buff is nice, but not nessesary. D'art... Farming is good and stuff, but honestly you can just stick his snatch on another soul. Yes, it will become 4 turn c/d instead of 3, but instead you will get a better soul. Sieg is a boss killer. Just that, nothing else. But he does his job better than anyone: if you want boss dead as fast as possible, you will find no better option than Sieg. Joan is a good soul, but imo she is a discount Andromeda. granted, there are situations, where Joan is better (if a boss has extremely nasty raging overdrive and you cant stun him be4 he gets it off) but generaly imo Andromeda is better. However Joan is a good soul to have since her EX skills are GREAT on other souls. Solomon... DO NOT TOUCH WITH A 10-FOOT POLE!!! EVER.
TLDR i would go with Andromeda->Mordred->D'art->Joan->Arthur and then we should get new souls: Shingen, Morgan, Hercules, and only after them, if you have spare Soul P layin around you might as well get Solomon.

Originally Posted by felix

TLDR i would go with Andromeda->Mordred->D'art->Joan->Arthur and then we should get new souls: Shingen, Morgan, Hercules, and only after them, if you have spare Soul P layin around you might as well get Solomon.

Although in his case if he replaces Kushinada with Sol then Andromeda would be a bit of overkill, no? He kinda lacks debuffs, so if he cares about soul to complete his team, then Mordred or D'Art are good choices. Mordred I don't need to explain, D'Art have that snipe skill. Plus snatch might be worth it. But if he don't have a gun for D'Art then I would recommend going for Mordred, otherwise it's choice between lot's of debuffs or def/atk debuff plus snatch.

Originally Posted by jazz154

He kinda lacks debuffs, so if he cares about soul to complete his team, then Mordred or D'Art are good choices. Mordred I don't need to explain, D'Art have that snipe skill. .

with Sol he already has -20% atk, the only NESSESARY debuff to that is a def debuff, which can be obtained as Gawain Ex skill. Mordred's atk and def debuffs are only -10% which is less than most SR hime that can debuff atk or def. Mordred is more of a status effect debuffer, but with shiva i's day he doesnt really need a bit of extra dmg. Mordred is progressively more useful the weaker your team is, but with Sol and Shiva... yeah, i wouldnt say his team is weak... As for damage difference... Mordred does 15% more dmg on status afflicted enemies, and that is the only difference in damage between Mordred and andromeda, since neither of them has any dmg skills. 15%... i mean yes, that IS a difference... marginal difference...
Ok, i will admit, that 3 healers is a bit overkill, however Nike is a garbage dmg dealer, and i would have to assume that as soon as he gets better dmg hime (Oceanos, Gabriel, Belphegor), Nike will be out of the team and having Andromeda as a 2nd healer together with Sol is a good backup. Also during thunder events having Andromeda would be a godsend, since wind doesnt have a good healer until Iris i believe and thats a long way away.

Note that once we start getting raid events (next event's the first raid event, actually), Mordred runs into a potential complication. Should there be multiple Mordreds in a raid fight, the collection of debuffs won't stack. At best, I think that they just refresh the duration?
You can probably get away with soloing the standard level raids, so this complication won't show up then. But you're not expected to solo the expert level. That's when the game theory comes in and you wonder about other people using Mordred or not.

Andromeda with D'art second to pick up Sniper Shot as an ex skill (to cover B-frame atk/def debuffing) is the safest general option, I think. May not necessarily be optimal in a given situation, but it'll never leave you feeling 'damn, I really should've gone with someone else'.
...although having just said 'pick up Sniper Shot!', I just remembered that 2 events from now, Medusa (who's after Jormungdr, who's next after Typhon) may leave you wanting to save your ex slot for that debuff remover from Vivian.
And for some bosses, you may want Chaos Magic to remove an atk buff. But with Sol around, you should be fine with running Cassiopeia with Sniper Shot as ex in those cases.

Originally Posted by felix

with shiva i's day he doesnt really need a bit of extra dmg

Originally Posted by felix

Ok, i will admit, that 3 healers is a bit overkill

So thats what we are saying, what he needs more is debuff.

Gabriel will bring Def debuff and more ATK / DEF power.
Belphegor's debuff is better than Mordred's but she might never come from the gacha.
He doesnt have any dots, blind or dizziness (assuming he will replace Rusalka)

Mordred makes more sense, and Cassiopeia will do the job during lightning event. No reason to go for Andromeda first.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Note that once we start getting raid events (next event's the first raid event, actually), Mordred runs into a potential complication. Should there be multiple Mordreds in a raid fight, the collection of debuffs won't stack. At best, I think that they just refresh the duration?

Thats true. For raid event, wiser choice would be Andromeda, but she doesnt bring any damage bonus for mvp. I wouldnt go for Arthur because of Shiva's buff (and other Arthur during raid anyway). So best choice for mvp would be Siegfried. But even then, if another Siegfried is faster than you and break the stun, you're screwed.
There is no perfect choice.

if you are getting Mordred just for the damage status effects, you are better off gettin arthur: atk buff, good damage skill and a burst on demand will probably do more damage over the course of battle than Mordred's debuffs. Mordred is only useful if you cant get atk/dmg debuff anywhere (cough, light element, cough). Between Gabriel and Ex skill he already has -def A-frame, -atk C frame and -def/atk B-frame. So thats basically half of Mordred's usefulness down the drain. might as well get Sieg or Arthur, since that will give him more damage than a few dots. dizzines ALWAYS have garbage success rate so nobody should ever rely on it, and blind is an easy status to get from summon. Im not sayin that Mordred is bad, im sayin that for this particular team Arthur or Sieg is better if you want more dmg, and Andromeda or Joan is better for defensive purposes. He does NOT need more debuffs. Gettin EVERY POSSIBLE debuff in game is as much of an overkill as gettin 3 healers. You only need def/atk debuffs, everything else is extra, and water team with Sol has both atk and def debuffs, so IMO no reason for Mordred.

Originally Posted by felix

if you are getting Mordred just for the damage status effects, you are better off gettin arthur: atk buff, good damage skill and a burst on demand will probably do more damage over the course of battle than Mordred's debuffs. Mordred is only useful if you cant get atk/dmg debuff anywhere (cough, light element, cough). Between Gabriel and Ex skill he already has -def A-frame, -atk C frame and -def/atk B-frame. So thats basically half of Mordred's usefulness down the drain. might as well get Sieg or Arthur, since that will give him more damage than a few dots. dizzines ALWAYS have garbage success rate so nobody should ever rely on it, and blind is an easy status to get from summon. Im not sayin that Mordred is bad, im sayin that for this particular team Arthur or Sieg is better if you want more dmg, and Andromeda or Joan is better for defensive purposes. He does NOT need more debuffs. Gettin EVERY POSSIBLE debuff in game is as much of an overkill as gettin 3 healers. You only need def/atk debuffs, everything else is extra, and water team with Sol has both atk and def debuffs, so IMO no reason for Mordred.

The main reason why I recommend Mordred is black propaganda. Giving boss that one more orb to fill is great thing. atk/def debuff is 10% that is true, but it stacks with sol atk debuff and gabriel def debuff just like you said. In my opinion the less dmg enemy can deal and the more you can deal to enemy then it's better for you. Besides Gabriel is 3 events away. (2 if you don't count typhon)

And if someone is worried about that there will be someone other with the same soul and you on't be able to use it fully (Mordred refresh debuffs so it's good enough for me) then just go Joan, Arthur, Solomon or Andromeda.

By the way, mind explaining "-def/atk B-frame" whose skill are you talking about? Because I don't see that he have anything like that.

Originally Posted by felix

Gettin EVERY POSSIBLE debuff in game is as much of an overkill as gettin 3 healers

Why would it be? thats nonsense. You can have too much heal but how could you have too much debuff or damage? Actually he has 1 single debuff. Assuming he will get Gabriel thats 2 debuff and not a single dupe with Mordred. If she is not useful in this case, then when would she be? And we are just talking about one of her spells.
Getting Dart's debuff implies to spend 500sp just for it, so you would better go with Granuaile's debuff but its pretty much the same than getting Mordred + whatever you want on ex slot.
On raid boss, dots alone deal 15-20k damage every turn. I don't know how many atk power you have but none of my char does that much damage for sure.
You can rely on an Eidolon for blind but it means around 8 turns before you can apply it (since he wont start with apo or uroboros or whatever), which mean less damage mitigation.
I cant disagree with dizz success rate, but again, your better chance to apply it is after Mordred's resist debuff (which will also lower the chance to miss Sol's and Gabriel's debuff).

I'm sorry if it feels like i only swear by Mordred, cause i'm clearly not. But i'm running 2 teams like that. My main account is a light team with Sieg + Gawain debuff on ex slot, and sol + urania for atk debuff. The only damage buff i have is Michael's light buff for now.
Aside that i have the exact same team as he has with Mordred. I only use it to proc raid boss (i know its a shame) and i didnt even bother upgrade it, so crappy atk power, only one lb on Nike and 2 on Rusalka.
There is a huge ATK power difference between those two teams but in comparison, it feels way more comfortable with Mordred.
I also have a fire team with Andromeda and she can handle healing alone (ok Amateratsu helps a bit ^-^ ) , so using her with sol + nike? meh.
Again, thats my opinion, but if it was my team, i would unlock Mordred first for sure, then Sieg, and rely on Cassiopeia if you need extra healing (or even leave healing to sol alone, who cares?)

Anyway. Its late, i'm out now. Thx for the talk cya mate

Originally Posted by felix

you ever go to D'art for the Snatch

yeah, and even then i don't think it worth 500 sp

Originally Posted by Lala

Hello, could you give me your opinion on elite soul choice please?

Seems like you knew the answer already.

As you said, switch one of your R for Sol.
Then in few weeks you should be able to put your hands on Gabriel during her raid event (burst bar rise buff, DEF debuff on target, and ATK + DEF buff on your team, stackable with shiva and nike's buff).

With that team, imo your priority should be Mordred. Then, as you said, you can aim for Andromeda who is always a good choice, but with your two healers (and i don't agree with felix, Nike is a decent healer, and you wont have any issue with Sol aside her), you can also consider getting Siegfried, who will simply destroy raid boss with Shiva + Gabriel buff (use dragon blood + full burst on stun).

One last thing : lvl up wind kamihime for lightning events