Thread: Solomon's Ring damage is affected by Eidolon bonuses

I know this isn't game-breaking or anything and she's still clearly trash (...for now), but I thought you guys might find it interesting.

I've been using Solomon with my mostly Wind Element team (Gaia/Shiva/Hermes/Nike), and noticed that with her skill "Solomon Ring" which does an attack in each element, the elemental damage is affected by the Eidolon(s) you have equipped. For example, when I'm just doing an Anzu run and thus have no "[Element] Attack +40%" effect, the damage is about 1500 per each element's attack with a slight decrease for the opponent's strong element and increase for the opponent's weak element. But when I have a particular element's Eidolon equipped, say with "Water ATK +40%", no matter what element I have equipped to Solomon her Solomon's Ring skill damage goes up during the part of the skill where she casts that element.

Why is this interesting? Because several Eidolons, like Behemoth (+30% to Wind/Water/Light) or Takemikazuchi (+30% to Wind/Thunder/Dark) increase multiple attributes at once. And during Solomon's ring, ALL of those elements are buffed as well.

It's still early days so I haven't taken the time to spreadsheet up how much different that is than just a straight single element increase on a single element skill, or written up a 10 page treatise on how this totally makes her OP. But it's a neat effect and I figured since very few people play Solomon they might not be aware of it.

Exactly as expected.

So...?

You really shouldn't take that tone. I'm honestly surprised you even know who Solomon is, seeing as by your own testimony everything you haven't personally experienced doesn't exist and all.

The POINT is that very few characters can take advantage of multi-element bonuses. While an Eidolon with multiple bonuses can be good for a team that isn't single-element, it's rare if not unique to Solomon only that she gets ALL of the bonuses regardless of what element she herself is. It's worth making note of.

Originally Posted by President Ramu

You really shouldn't take that tone. I'm honestly surprised you even know who Solomon is, seeing as by your own testimony everything you haven't personally experienced doesn't exist and all.

The POINT is that very few characters can take advantage of multi-element bonuses. While an Eidolon with multiple bonuses can be good for a team that isn't single-element, it's rare if not unique to Solomon only that she gets ALL of the bonuses regardless of what element she herself is. It's worth making note of.

If I understand correctly (and this is just a re-discovery of basic game mechanics), a 30% bonus to 3/6 elements would equate to a 15% damage bonus overall (single eidolon). You could've gotten a 40% bonus with typical skills and a matching eidolon, plus some other useful effect (like a 20% HP bonus). Furthermore, for weapon skills, you'd get 1/6 of the effect, so a grid of ten assault skillLV6 SRs would give you a 10% bonus instead of 60%. That's pretty terrible, and is exactly why Solomon is regarded as not useful.

But congratulations on your discovery, I suppose?

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

If I understand correctly (and this is just a re-discovery of basic game mechanics), a 30% bonus to 3/6 elements would equate to a 15% damage bonus overall (single eidolon). You could've gotten a 40% bonus with typical skills and a matching eidolon, plus some other useful effect (like a 20% HP bonus). Furthermore, for weapon skills, you'd get 1/6 of the effect, so a grid of ten assault skillLV6 SRs would give you a 10% bonus instead of 60%. That's pretty terrible, and is exactly why Solomon is regarded as not useful.

But congratulations on your discovery, I suppose?

You don't understand correctly, because yet again your "theoretical" and incorrect knowledge of the game has led you to making further wrong statements based on your wrong assumptions. Seriously, do you even play this game?

- Attribute damage bonuses are not the same as straight attack bonuses. Remember that whole conversation in the other thread about how "Character Eidolons aren't as good as Element Eidolons"? So your "some other useful effect" statement is wrong on the face of it, because it's not relevant here.

- Additionally, as Solomon's Ring's elements are independent of Solomon's Element, you don't have to choose. My Wind-Element Solomon is already getting the 30% bonus from Behemoth, Solomon's Ring is getting a separate bonus to two other elements that the Wind element himes on my team don't get to take advantage of.

- My entire grid is Wind element weapons with Level 5-10 Storm Assault, but Wind damage isn't affected by them during Solomon's Ring. I'd have been happy to explain that to you if you had asked instead of assuming.

So really, seriously, either play the game or ask questions in good faith. Because this is starting to get out of hand.

Originally Posted by President Ramu

You don't understand correctly, because yet again your "theoretical" and incorrect knowledge of the game has led you to making further wrong statements based on your wrong assumptions. Seriously, do you even play this game?

- Attribute damage bonuses are not the same as straight attack bonuses. Remember that whole conversation in the other thread about how "Character Eidolons aren't as good as Element Eidolons"? So your "some other useful effect" statement is wrong on the face of it, because it's not relevant here.

- Additionally, as Solomon's Ring's elements are independent of Solomon's Element, you don't have to choose. My Wind-Element Solomon is already getting the 30% bonus from Behemoth, Solomon's Ring is getting a separate bonus to two other elements that the Wind element himes on my team don't get to take advantage of.

- My entire grid is Wind element weapons with Level 5-10 Storm Assault, but Wind damage isn't affected by them during Solomon's Ring. I'd have been happy to explain that to you if you had asked instead of assuming.

So really, seriously, either play the game or ask questions in good faith. Because this is starting to get out of hand.

Feel free to illustrate these cumulative bonuses in a spreadsheet. Either my understanding of mechanics is flawed, or your explanation in this post is misleading / inaccurate. The JP wiki goes into some detail on this skill and how it interacts with elemental bonuses.

Although I can tell your pride is simmering, asking 'so what'--novelty, significance--is actually a standard question to a junior scientist presenting their findings. If you can't handle a basic question like that without going on a tirade, then you're not cut out for research.

And no, I didn't single you out for that question because I hate you. I'm not petty like that. I'm unsure the reciprocal is true, however.