Wow... I really cant understand whether you are trolling or serious. Medium atk increase that is unique to this hime only (in SR tier) and stacks together with all other atk buffs on entire party, combined with dmg output of weaker SSR hime... Yeah, sure, its garbage, throw it away for some R-tier piece of trash.Quote:
Originally Posted by VortexMagus
And "garbage for any non-fire team" is not an argument: 90% of all hime across all tiers and elements are "garbage to non-theirelement team"
ye i had the same reaction when i saw this. I mean, this post has a lot of approximation in it, but this one was priceless.Quote:
Originally Posted by felix
Agni trash tier... jesus...
I think this important truth was lost somewhere in this discussion. In the end, everyone has to work with the draws they get, and the single most important factor is whether you can assemble a decent single-element team, hopefully with at least one healer and one debuffer. Everything else is secondary.Quote:
Originally Posted by felix
There's a few kamihime (generally healers or debuffers) that are useful in any team regardless of element. If you score one of them, great. Otherwise, your team composition choices are probably going to be very limited. In my view, this thread is something of a re-roller's guide, and a mere curiosity to anyone else--a chance to learn about kamihime and skills you'll never encounter or need to know about.
Take a look at Agni's skills. Unless you have a group of 4 other good fire hime and a good fire eidolon to compliment her, she's one of the worst draws you could get. In a fire team she's great, in anything else you'd be better off playing some rares. The vast majority of people who draw Agni will not use her. In about 90% of teams she's the worst draw you could possibly get. Of course, this doesn't apply to people using fire teams, or people whaling the absolute shit out of this game and running viable teams for multiple elements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yolodesu
Anybody who tells you that Agni is a desirable draw is either running a full fire team, or doesn't actually know what her skills do.
Oh no kidding dude, a damage role is good in a team which fits her element...Quote:
Originally Posted by VortexMagus
Even if you have no fire hime at all (so basically... if you didnt get your first free kamihime?), you have a simple damage dealer with selfbuff... Such as Artemis, Chronus, Oceanus, Hermod. You can also count Hermes as damage dealer only.
So what? Half of the draw you can get?
No, even in the worst situation, she isnt the worst SR you can get. And i would be glad if you can tell me a single notzephyrus R better than her, even in this case.
Remember that R only have 2 skills, no assist skill, less burst damage.
I understand you want to help, but this post should be called "what's your favorite kamihime", not a guide about anything
Zephyrus, although she's basically the Sol of R so I'm cheating here <.<
Shhh! She doesnt count :p Wait a second i'll edit thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered
Zephyrus and Perun and Kushinada and Orpheus are all better than Agni in non-fire teams. I'd run them in a heartbeat in properly typed teams over Agni. Hell, I'd probably run a blank kami with no skills over Agni, since +80% damage to autoattack and burst from eidolons is going to outweigh a bad self heal, wind resist, and mediocre damage.
Anyways, I think you're all waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too defensive over some mediocre kamis. Agni's only great in one super limited situation and the rest of the time she's trash. There are plenty of SR kamis that are great in almost every situation, even in off-element teams, like Ramiel, Brynhildr, etc. You and felix getting really really really upset over some super minor disagreements. By all means, don't let me stop you from running Thor in a dark team or Agni in a water team, if thats your flavor, you go for it.
I understand you love Agni and all, but you should really look at the numbers and not let your bias infect these things.
I think you just dont understand the basics of the game. Ill repeat: saying that agni is garbage in any team aside from fire is like saying that water is wet. What do experienced DMM players say to newcomers first thing when they are asked advise? Chose your element and stick with it! Saying that only whales can afford multiple element teams is bullshit: 3k jewel draws, premium log in tickets, premium event tickets, and later premium kamihime tickets... ANY player will be able to assemble pure element teams in couple of months if hes VERY unlucky. Ofc i wont put agni in water team but i also wont put amaterasu in water team. Why? Because Jorm wouldve onshot her any time she wouldve been targeted, regardless of how good her abilities are.
This game is not about being a jack of all trades, its about being a professional in one! Once i get 4 fire hime, for my fire team, i will consider swapping any of them for off-element hime only if the candidate is EXTREMELY good for that same reason you described: 80% dmg increase against weak element. Comparing Agni to himes of another element is unreasonable, simply because your goal in the long run is to get pure element teams. Why dont you compare agni to Belphegor while fighting fire boss? Doesnt that seem unfair? Let me ask you this then: would you bring Belphegor instead of Agni while fighting wind boss? I wouldn't.
As for bias, ill repeat myself: im dark/light main, so fire himes dont concern me that much, i just dont understand the logic behind calling a great fire hime "bad" just because shes bad in off-element team. Its like... Duh, no shit bruh. Does that mean shes bad? No. Compare her to all other fire R or SR himes: aside from Brynhilde and maybe Haphestus, shes the best you can get. So by your logic, ALL fire himes that are not brynhilde are trash? Cmon man, thats ridiculous.
Oh, right, the question of worst SR/SSR kamihime in the game.
For SR, it's Baldr. No utility of any sort or even basic beatstick functionality.
For SSR... haven't looked through all the SSR yet, but Uriel catches my eye. Strictly an attacker with a gimmick revolving around burst attacks, but the numbers seem to sub-par, based off comments?