Thread: Vortex's brief opinion guide to each SSR kamihime in the game.

Originally Posted by felix

Really? Like who?

Also Ramiel over Thor? Really? So you are saying that +10 to gague (ramiel 3rd) is better than +20 to gague (2 turns of enemy doing nothing)? Uhh... Ok then. Dizziness, regardless of who uses it, has abysmal chance of success while paralysis in my experience has more than 50% chance of success.

Beelzebub, Belphegor, Huanglong Eidolon, etc. There are a lot of other sources of paralysis.

Ramiel has Dizziness on all 3 skills. So she puts it out very reliably, especially if you run Mordred who lowers affliction resistance. Dizziness is infinitely better than paralysis, cause it works everywhere and not just on things that are bosses which get stunned. There are some bosses which are tough to stun and you'll only get off a single stun in the entire fight. There are other bosses where your goal is to survive to the stun, which means you'll want a character with defense up, attack down, healing, or defense skills. Ramiel has multiple skills that qualify.

Lastly, this is just my opinion. You're free to disagree, by all means. I could totally be wrong and that's okay with me.

Originally Posted by VortexMagus

Beelzebub, Belphegor, Huanglong Eidolon, etc. There are a lot of other sources of paralysis.

Ramiel has Dizziness on all 3 skills. So she puts it out very reliably, especially if you run Mordred who lowers affliction resistance. Dizziness is infinitely better than paralysis, cause it works everywhere and not just on things that are bosses which get stunned. There are some bosses which are tough to stun and you'll only get off a single stun in the entire fight. There are other bosses where your goal is to survive to the stun, which means you'll want a character with defense up, attack down, healing, or defense skills. Ramiel has multiple skills that qualify.

Lastly, this is just my opinion. You're free to disagree, by all means. I could totally be wrong and that's okay with me.

I think you're mistaking paralysis with increased stun duration. Thor is the only kh who does paralysis right now. Paralysis is like dizzy, but with a 100% chance they miss their turn from what I've seen. Also, Beelzebub doesn't cause any boss debuffs.

Originally Posted by Azumish

I think you're mistaking paralysis with increased stun duration. Thor is the only kh who does paralysis right now. Paralysis is like dizzy, but with a 100% chance they miss their turn from what I've seen. Also, Beelzebub doesn't cause any boss debuffs.

Huh? So Belphegor's Paralyzer and Huanglong's eidolon attack are different from paralysis? Ugh, mistranslations. I'll correct myself, then, my bad. That skill is better than I thought it was.

Its kind of annoying we don't have an explanation for each status effect, some of them are incredibly unclear. According to the description, hallucination (from cybele) should also cause the boss to skip a turn, but it doesn't always seem to happen.

Originally Posted by VortexMagus

Huh? So Belphegor's Paralyzer and Huanglong's eidolon attack are different from paralysis? Ugh, mistranslations. I'll correct myself, then, my bad. That skill is better than I thought it was.

Its kind of annoying we don't have an explanation for each status effect, some of them are incredibly unclear. According to the description, hallucination (from cybele) should also cause the boss to skip a turn, but it doesn't always seem to happen.

Belphegor's attack isn't "mistranslated" so much as "not translated"; the difference between the skill and the status effect 'paralyze' is lost in translation. A careful translator would've changed the skill name to avoid confusion.

The Hallucination description is a mistranslation of the JP, though the JP is unclear also. It's a status effect applied to Cybele that nullifies enemy attacks (the JP description says 'nullifies the attacks of all enemies'--not the same as disabling them!); presumably it only works if she's targeted. Nutaku also fails to convey which skills target the group and which target the entire raid. This is an issue introduced by them that didn't exist in the original JP.

Some of these problems are just careless mistakes, but others result from hiring translators that don't play the game and don't understand the mechanics, and therefore don't know how to properly convey them. Good translators don't just translate; they clarify when needed to get the intended message across. In some cases, that means rewriting.

Originally Posted by VortexMagus

Its kind of annoying we don't have an explanation for each status effect

http://kamihime-project.wikia.com/wiki/Combat_Mechanics

+ Thor's paralysis which isnt listed for some reason. Boss unable to act for 15sec

Originally Posted by VortexMagus

Beelzebub, Belphegor, Huanglong Eidolon, .

uhh what are you even talking about? "Paralysis" is a status condition that prevents enemy from taking a turn guaranteed (its a 100% reliable dizziness) It has nothing to do with enemy being stunned. What you are referring to is probably "extend enemy stun condition" (although Beelz doesnt have that...) and Thor does NOT have "extend status condition". Thor has a skill that once hit, prevents enemy from taking ANY action for 15 sec, which translates to 2-3 turns, if you used the skill right before pressing attack button and then turn autobattle on, so that theres no delay between your next turn.
The fact that you had no idea what Paralysis actually is, makes me wonder how credible all other information is in this post...

Originally Posted by felix

uhh what are you even talking about? "Paralysis" is a status condition that prevents enemy from taking a turn guaranteed (its a 100% reliable dizziness) It has nothing to do with enemy being stunned. What you are referring to is probably "extend enemy stun condition" (although Beelz doesnt have that...) and Thor does NOT have "extend status condition".

Belphegor has a skill translated as 'Paralyzer' that extends stun duration. That's probably the source of the confusion. Incidentally, that's a direct transliteration of the JP. 'Paralysis' is a translation of the commonly-known status effect. To the Japanese these are very different words, but to us there's barely any difference at all.

just wondering... why are we re-rating the stars.... the himes got 5 stars have their reasons... she might not good in every team but if in a good spot they will perform well enough...and let say...even though u had all 5 stars but scrambled elements i still think u gonna have a bad time

No SSR are comparable to SR, some SSR have awakening in JP version and their stats increase a LOT (and new illustration cool!)

Originally Posted by Gisborn

just wondering... why are we re-rating the stars.... the himes got 5 stars have their reasons... she might not good in every team but if in a good spot they will perform well enough...and let say...even though u had all 5 stars but scrambled elements i still think u gonna have a bad time

Consider it as a tierlist more than a rarity list.

SSR pull rate is low, sure. But it doesn't mean that their power should not be divided into layers of tiers.
In any given game that is not chess or checkers and you're allowed to choose characters or varying inherent abilities, tier list will always exist to show which of the characters simply perform better in most situations over the others.


One example being a comparison of two light element SSRs, Sol and the upcoming Raphael for example.
If you use the JP wiki (which I can't friggin post a link here), you'll notice that she is worse than Sol in pretty much every category except Max ATK stat with 370 more stat points than Sol.