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  1. #11

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    In a major update to my Damage Calculator, I've united constitutive bonuses from the Assault and Eidolon Effects Calculator together with temporary buffs. Players can now directly observe how buffs like Attack Up affect damage output for specific team compositions. For example, the value of ATK up decreases with increasing assault skill and character attack up from eidolons, and increases with elemental advantage.

    I also revamped the Damage Received section to be more useful and intuitive.

    Planned for next update: Factoring in uptime of buffs / debuffs, the effect of healing on party longevity (in combination with damage reduction).
    Last edited by sanahtlig; 07-23-2017 at 01:04 PM.
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  2. #12

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    I've revamped Damage Calculation throughout the Toolbox and reorganized the information. I've now factored Damage Skills into the damage calculation via the 'Team Customization' tab. Unfortunately, there's not much info in the JP wiki on skill damage multipliers for kamihime of SR and R, so I'm relying on rough guesses for now on the raw numbers. I also factored in Buff and Debuff Uptimes. This was much more challenging than I'd anticipated (it took me the entire day), and I don't think I'll take on such a headache again anytime soon. This increases the burden of user input to the point that I forked it off into its own tab 'Adv(anced) Damage Calculator'. This tab is for advanced users who want to see how buff / debuff uptime affects their cumulative damage output over the course of an encounter, and who want to compare the relative utility of buffs and debuffs with varying resist rates, especially from eidolons (implementing eidolon debuffs was extremely time-consuming!). I assumed steady-state for most uptime calculations, except for eidolons where that assumption is absurd (in most Ragnarok Advent battles you'll be lucky to use an eidolon more than once).
    Last edited by sanahtlig; 07-30-2017 at 01:24 AM.
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  3. #13

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    In response to a complaint about the user-friendliness of the interface:

    This is an expansive project I've been working on for several months, completely solo (until recently). I find a question I'm interested in, do the math to answer it, test and re-test to find and fix formula errors, label and organize the calculations to my satisfaction, and then publish it for others to use. I know of no one else making calculators that model the various systems in this game, in any language. I do it primarily to further understanding of these game systems, since generalizations have limitations and simulations are required to model complex systems that vary in different ways depending on the input.

    These tools are provided AS IS, as in they're configured for my use first, and everyone else's use second. I will never sacrifice usability for myself to increase usability for others. I will fix bugs in the formulas, clean up clutter, and provide basic documentation so motivated individuals can make use of these tools--hopefully to generate useful discussion and guides for others.

    Criticisms were raised with various aspects of the presentation, including too many tabs (redundant information) and too few tabs (unrelated tools clustered on the same sheets). The user wanted the interface to be simpler, with summary info featured more prominently.

    The Toolbox contains many tools to answer distinct questions. Some tools are related. Some are connected. A few are interconnected, with the output of one feeding into another and back again (I try to avoid this as much as possible, but sometimes complexity balloons, as it did with the damage calculations). To my knowledge, there are no redundant or useless tabs. There are tabs with labels that may SEEM redundant, simply because I shorten them as much as possible to fit more tabs without scrolling. I do in fact organize the tabs with the most important ones (to me) placed first. I actually have no idea what tab users will land on when they click a url to my Toolbox, nor how to control this.

    I could summarize information better. I could write user guides to help users find what they're looking for and understand the layout. But save for a comment by a single disgruntled person who brought the topic up in the midst of a theorycrafting argument, I haven't seen much demand for these things.

    I do welcome feedback from users, whether it be questions, suggestions, or simply a thumbs up. For those who want to talk, I can be found on Discord in several channels related to Kamihime Project (including the Godtamers Union channel, a theorycrafting hub). Users can also post their Toolbox-related feedback in this thread.
    Last edited by sanahtlig; 07-30-2017 at 11:58 AM.
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    When you hear the word 'Calculator' you expect to enter numbers here and there, then result showed up according to formula. but I don't know where to input things in your toolbox and it's a view-only document. 'not user-friendly' isn't the word, it's more like 'not intuitive' because I'm not a user yet and still figuring out anything. being the only helpful math guy in the community sure is tough, you have to deal with people like me who won't go deeper into rabbit hole in those math. If only you could CSS the heck out of those formula it would be perfect.

    I'll try pouring some ideas on the layouts,

    For the gacha calculator, it would be something like: "Enter the amount of jewel/Nutaku gold/$", "select the rate-up type", "amount of SSR(KH,kamiless wep,eido) you have", "amount of SR you have", "amount of R KH you have",etc

    Then the result cell would be: "Chances of getting SSR(KH,Kamiless wep,eido)", "chances of getting SSR dupes", "chances of getting new SSR","chances of getting featured SSR",etc.

    For the damage calculator, it would be something like: "Enter the KH atk", "select debuff", "select enemy buff", "select negative status effect on KH", "select enemy status Stun/Normal/Raging", "select enemy element", "select KH element", "select active eidolon", "select friend eidolon", etc

    Then the result cell would be: "Damage dealt in normal/raging/stun state", "Burst damage dealt in normal/raging/stun state", "chances to miss", "chances of double attack", "chances of triple attack", etc.

    My advice is, make it so even an idiot could understand or not disheartened by a wall of numbers (I'm like that). And lastly, thank you for being "that math guy" everybody can rely on.

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    Thanks for the input. The document is read-only so people can always access and preview the latest version, but can't change the version everyone sees. Download the sheet to edit. Fields for user input are highlighted in grey throughout the Toolbox.

    I've input reasonable defaults throughout the spreadsheet so users don't have to fill in every field one-by-one. They can change one or two fields and simply observe the effect. I think that's less tedious than demanding a series of inputs, though it requires a basic understanding of the layout and workflow.

    The Toolbox is implemented in Google Sheets, and that's unlikely to change, so I have to work within the limits of a typical spreadsheet. It'll never be a program with pop-ups and customized input/output displays, as that's beyond the scope of the project. If someone else wanted to take on that sort of programming project, I'd be willing to work with them, but I sort of doubt that will happen.
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  6. #16

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    In response to user feedback, I made a new landing page for my Toolbox that serves as a Table of Contents and user orientation. This should make it easier to jump in and start using the tools. The hyperlinks should also make navigation quicker and allow me to fit more sheets into the same space without scrolling.
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    The question, "When is a Gatcha eidolon better than an MLB event SSR as primary eidolon?" has come up several times lately, so I added an Eidolon Comparison tool to the Constitutive Effects Damage Calculator to answer it. The answer for Fafnir is: a slight damage increase at LB1 (~2%), and a significant increase at LB2 (~4.5%), both at the cost of some lost HP. At LB0, the loss of stats makes the Fafnir-type eidolons undesirable as primary eidolons.

    I also upgraded the Weapon Comparison tool with the option to factor in the weapons' Burst modifiers (when equipped as a primary weapon).
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  8. #18

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    I identified a minor error in the way I was factoring in off-element kamihime into the damage calculation, underestimating their damage contribution (underestimating total team damage by about 5%). This bug only affects comparisons between teams with different numbers of off-element kamihime (e.g., a Fire group with Light Sol vs. a full Fire group). I fixed it for the main Constant Effects Calculator (Comparisons of different team configurations), but implementing this fix throughout all of the damage calculators is going to be time-consuming.

    Until I get around to propagating the fix, don't use the damage calculator to compare teams with differing numbers of matching-element kamihime. The results of such comparisons won't be valid, except for the one calculator I fixed.
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  9. #19

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    New tool: An Encyclopedia of kamihime (incl. skill effects), SSR weapons, and SSR eidolons organized by event. This tool was compiled by Slashley of Harem-Battle from info on the JP wiki and revised by me. This is a one-stop reference that English users should find extremely helpful. Note that this was compiled by Slashley using machine translation and therefore may not be 100% accurate. There's far too much info for me to verify in its entirety, so please point out any potential errors and I'll investigate.
    Last edited by sanahtlig; 09-04-2017 at 10:50 PM.
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  10. #20

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    New tool: Overdrive simulator. Use this tool to predict and counter enemy overdrives with skills that affect the overdrive meter and defensive buffs. The tool simulates the enemy's overdrive usage, allowing users to deploy countermeasures and observe how these affect overdrive usage over the course of the battle.
    Last edited by sanahtlig; 09-30-2017 at 09:01 PM.
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