The loots difference betwen difficulty

**sanahtlig** · 06-03-2017

Originally Posted by TNinja

Why you can't MLB it?

As I recall, you're limited to one copy fewer than is necessary to MLB the weapon.

**lightwolf** · 06-03-2017

All i know is that you should do the highest level you can do in advent battles.
As far as powering up the best way is indeed the disaster raids. If memory serves there are 3 weapons per raid, 2 will have hp increase (Defender) and 1 will have attack increase (Assault). And the eidos that come from the raids are some of the best SRs as far as overall usability. As always you should figure out 1 or 2 elements to focus on in the beginning. This is doubly so if you are new and not wanting to invest money into the game. Don't spend your materials on the weapons and eidos from the stores. You're better off using those for elixirs and seeds. The best way to gain power is to keep active, participate in events and do raids when not doing events.

**Aidoru** · 06-03-2017

Raid eidolons are some of the worst, don't use them unless you have no other option. Story exchange eidolons are just as bad but they can at least provide you with battle buffs, but that doesn't require using as a main.

It'll take less effort to max out a R eidolon that'll have decently good stats for beginners to use than it would take to level a raid eidolon to be worth using and only be slightly stronger than that R despite being 30 levels higher.

For example:
Werewolf, a dark R eidolon, easily farmable from certain story missions, 900 ATK at Lv60 (max) and gives 30% Dark ATK boost when maxed if using as main.
Dark Disaster, the dark SR raid boss eidolon (or any disaster works, they all have the same stats), 1000 ATK at Lv90, that's 30 levels worth of enhancing just for 100 more ATK and even at max break, it's only 20% ATK and HP. And this is assuming you can even manage to fully break limit it before you get something else worth using.

Unless you really need that HP, which is unlikely if you're still at the stage where you'd use Disaster eidolons as a main. As a sub, uh, go ahead I guess.

As for the main topic, after a little data recording.

My AP per chest rates are:
Beginner - 2.5
Standard - 2.4
Expert - 2
Ultimate - 1.70

Of course it's not the most accurate, I have barely any runs in Beginner, Standard and Expert as I'm using my alt for those. I'm not wasting any AP on my main for it, which only runs Ultimate and Ragnarok.

**lightwolf** · 06-03-2017

Raid eidolons are some of the worst, don't use them unless you have no other option. Story exchange eidolons are just as bad but they can at least provide you with battle buffs.

It'll take less effort to max out a R eidolon that'll have decently good stats for beginners to use than it would take to level a raid eidolon to be worth using and only be slightly stronger than that R despite being 30 levels higher.

For example:
Werewolf, a dark R eidolon, easily farmable from certain story missions, 900 ATK at Lv60 (max) and gives 30% Dark ATK boost when maxed if using as main.
Dark Disaster, the dark SR raid boss eidolon (or any disaster works, they all have the same stats), 1000 ATK at Lv90, that's 30 levels worth of enhancing just for 100 more ATK and even at max break, it's only 20% ATK and HP. And this is assuming you can even manage to fully break limit it before you get something else worth using.

First off let me say that i have little experience with the Rare eidos so i can't say for certain about them. But let me just say that 100 extra attack is a lot more than that. I'm not exactly certain of the calculations but if I'm not misunderstanding the formula that 100 attack will have all the % increases from all the Assault weapon and the Eidos. Every little bit helps. Also don't underestimate the extra HP. While the dream is to just have a boat load of attack to annihilate the enemy most beginners don't have that so the extra HP is extra survival/chance to kill the boss. Also you will get the disasters while you are farming the weapons, which are necessary for the extra stats that most beginners don't have. Am I saying that the Disasters are good? No, by no means are they optimal. But if you don't have good options they may be the best of the pile that you have. Also most experienced players will have event eidos that are vastly superior to the Disasters. So this is aimed at new players that want to run all elements. My advice remains as i said earlier. Try to get 2 elements, your main and one to cover your mains weakness (if there is one). Hopefully luck is on your side and you get good Kamis and eidos. But if not the disasters make a decent bandaid.
This is just for new players though and completely based on my experiences.

My AP per chest rates are:
Beginner - 2.5
Standard - 2.4
Expert - 2
Ultimate - 1.70

These are probably not too far off. However the big point is that chests are not equal. 2 bronze chests might be better than 2 silver chests depending on what you need and what they drop.

This all being said the best thing to do is experiment. Find what works for you. This is what I've found with my experiments. Sometimes more attack is not the answer. Just look at the ragna Ixion. I'm not sure about anybody else but i doubt there is anyone currently that can just use lots of attack to kill it. It takes strategy and the ability to survive. Doesn't matter how much attack you have if you can be nuked out of existence.

**jazz154** · 06-03-2017

Originally Posted by lightwolf

First off let me say that i have little experience with the Rare eidos so i can't say for certain about them. But let me just say that 100 extra attack is a lot more than that. I'm not exactly certain of the calculations but if I'm not misunderstanding the formula that 100 attack will have all the % increases from all the Assault weapon and the Eidos. Every little bit helps. Also don't underestimate the extra HP. While the dream is to just have a boat load of attack to annihilate the enemy most beginners don't have that so the extra HP is extra survival/chance to kill the boss. Also you will get the disasters while you are farming the weapons, which are necessary for the extra stats that most beginners don't have. Am I saying that the Disasters are good? No, by no means are they optimal. But if you don't have good options they may be the best of the pile that you have. Also most experienced players will have event eidos that are vastly superior to the Disasters. So this is aimed at new players that want to run all elements. My advice remains as i said earlier. Try to get 2 elements, your main and one to cover your mains weakness (if there is one). Hopefully luck is on your side and you get good Kamis and eidos. But if not the disasters make a decent bandaid.

The thing is that it isn't worth leveling daily raid eidolons. That 100 atk won't do a thing. In the end you will get better things from events.
Plus I will take extra 10% atk up over 20% hp up any time of the day. So R eidolon is better in my opinion since it can have 30% instead of 20%.

**lightwolf** · 06-03-2017

Originally Posted by jazz154

The thing is that it isn't worth leveling daily raid eidolons. That 100 atk won't do a thing. In the end you will get better things from events.
Plus I will take extra 10% atk up over 20% hp up any time of the day. So R eidolon is better in my opinion since it can have 30% instead of 20%.

Yea fair enough, i was just trying to offer some ideas. But if the agreed upon thing is that attack trumps all that's probably better. Just offering my experiences, limited as they may be.

I'm curious though as where people value HP. Is an extra 10% attack better than 20% HP? Or is the problem that the disasters are harder to farm, because in my experience when i'm trying to farm weapons from the raids they show up more than i care to see them. Or are the rare eidos just that easy to farm. Like i said i started back in Apocalypse so i have very limited experience with rares cause i used Diabolos cause the 10% attack and hp for all seemed good. Now i have all the event eidos and lots of weapons so i don't have much experience starting later with harder events.

**Aidoru** · 06-03-2017

Originally Posted by lightwolf

These are probably not too far off. However the big point is that chests are not equal. 2 bronze chests might be better than 2 silver chests depending on what you need and what they drop.

Again, just to state, I am missing a lot of data for Beginner, Standard and Expert.

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**sanahtlig** · 06-03-2017

Originally Posted by lightwolf

Is an extra 10% attack better than 20% HP?

HP up is useful on eidolons where it comes bundled with character attack, especially at low levels of assault skill.

TNinja · 06-06-2017

Originally Posted by lightwolf

Yea fair enough, i was just trying to offer some ideas. But if the agreed upon thing is that attack trumps all that's probably better. Just offering my experiences, limited as they may be.

I'm curious though as where people value HP. Is an extra 10% attack better than 20% HP? Or is the problem that the disasters are harder to farm, because in my experience when i'm trying to farm weapons from the raids they show up more than i care to see them. Or are the rare eidos just that easy to farm. Like i said i started back in Apocalypse so i have very limited experience with rares cause i used Diabolos cause the 10% attack and hp for all seemed good. Now i have all the event eidos and lots of weapons so i don't have much experience starting later with harder events.

I think people value attack more because the stronger the attack the faster they can drain the rage gauge aside Hp is not useful if doesn't get attacked, won't win you mvp, won't win you PP and the value only useful at the start of the game and not effective or useless for the rest of the game Except you're using potion.

**sanahtlig** · 06-06-2017

Originally Posted by TNinja

I think people value attack more because the stronger the attack the faster they can drain the rage gauge aside Hp is not useful if doesn't get attacked, won't win you mvp, won't win you PP and the value only useful at the start of the game and not effective or useless for the rest of the game Except you're using potion.

If I had a Wind character ATK/HP eidolon, I'd be using it right now for Ultimate/Ragnarok, and so would many others.

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