Thread: [Event 12] Apocalypse & Phoenix Rematch

Originally Posted by CaptainNoobCN

hey guys, i'm new here in forum.
wanted to share my video battles with apocalypse and pheonix but i can't post links for some reason.
is there another way i can share them here?

You need to be a member to post links, so get that 20 posts. Other than that you can post them in creative way, like remove dots from your link or put spaces after them.

I would post video about Phoenix ragnarok but it would be boring because I am always waiting for her buffs to expire. As for Apocalypse... I am really unlucky with her and right now I am just playing with different setups.

Originally Posted by jazz154

You need to be a member to post links, so get that 20 posts. Other than that you can post them in creative way, like remove dots from your link or put spaces after them.

I would post video about Phoenix ragnarok but it would be boring because I am always waiting for her buffs to expire. As for Apocalypse... I am really unlucky with her and right now I am just playing with different setups.

so all i need to do is either to get 20 posts and become a member or just change the link a bit, hut?
well, i'll just waith then, i prefer to post full links without changing them XD

yea, have no luck with ragnarok apocalypse as well, maybe if i had a better light team i could do something but nope

Originally Posted by CaptainNoobCN

so all i need to do is either to get 20 posts and become a member or just change the link a bit, hut?
well, i'll just waith then, i prefer to post full links without changing them XD

yea, have no luck with ragnarok apocalypse as well, maybe if i had a better light team i could do something but nope

Well, I am doing them all with water team. The problem with Apocalypse is that if I don't get her dizzy at least 2 times then I will die. If she focus on my soul = I die. If she keep on spamming her special ability = I die.
It's really troublesome.

1 more ultimate and more or less done with this event. Max break 1 each SSR weapon and eidolon along side a couple SR assault weapons. Probably used 80~90+ elixirs. Thankfully I've been able to buy 6 every day. 2 from Ixion, and 4 from these 2, which I think I'm gonna end up saving all my leftover materials for. After this event is a raid event and after that is the first union event, don't want to feel like I'm dragging down the team cause I burned through most of mines this event.

Originally Posted by jazz154

Well, I am doing them all with water team. The problem with Apocalypse is that if I don't get her dizzy at least 2 times then I will die. If she focus on my soul = I die. If she keep on spamming her special ability = I die.
It's really troublesome.

yea, she is troublesome indeed.
i tried to beat her just once in ragnarok level but around 1/4 of her HP left so i kinda gave up XD

I'm 6 for 7 on Apocalypse Ragnarok, and 7/7 on Phoenix. I tried several setups on Apocalypse, but I ended up using my typical water team:

• Andromeda (heals, defense up for overdrives, Resurrect) with Black Propaganda equipped (+1 to overdrive meter)
• Belphegor (Massive rage meter reduction, type B atk/def debuff)
• Triton (ATK down and combo attack down, self-heal = good frontline tank)
• Shiva (spike DPS to end Rage quickly)
• Sol (heals, attack down, clear Blind)
• Eidolons: Character ATK up 40%/HP up 20%, Behemoth 45% (massive damage boost to a combo water/light team, second Blind removal)

I let Apocalypse use her first overdrive, clear the debuff, use Black Propaganda, then push into Rage. I partial Burst to end Rage before her 2nd overdrive. Once she uses her 2nd overdrive, I let Black Propaganda expire, reapply debuffs, and repeat. If no characters die, I Full Burst during Rage and that usually takes her to low HP. If 1 character dies, I should still be able to push her out of rage before the 4th overdrive for an easy victory. If two characters die, the battle gets interesting and I might have to eat a Rage overdrive.

I've found that the keys to this fight are:

1. Black Propaganda
2. Damage mitigation with high levels of ATK DWN (ideally -50%) combined with strong healing (~550 per turn)
3. Sufficient burst gauge reduction / spike DPS to end Rage in 3 turns or less without a full Burst, as needed
4. 2 sources of Blind removal (which can kill your burst gauge generation and get you stuck in Rage)

The one time I lost was when I brought Gaia along to mitigate overdrive damage, but then mistimed her damage reduction ability and ended up eating an unmitigated normal overdrive out of stun. After that, I decided that stacking ATK DWN to -50% with combo attack down was a more reliable way of mitigating damage.

So what atk power do you think a non-elemental-advantage team requires to do ragnarok? Like your water team for example sanahtlig. And on a related note, how disgusting is your water weapon grid for atk% and hp%? I'm working on mine, but definitely got a long way to go (still can't full-auto ultimate).

I'm running with ~40k attack power (max level weapons, eidolons, and kamihime) and ~+94% water assault skill. 0% +HP since I use a +20% eidolon. That's likely what you need to do this smoothly, at least without stacking DEF DWN debuffs. Honestly, I could get the assault skill higher, but the Gem Getcha/enhance process is tedious and I keep putting it off.

The requirement for full-auto Ultimate is probably similar. You need enough attack power to kill the boss before it gets the chance to do significant damage, potentially without the benefit of debuffs.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

I'm running with ~40k attack power (max level weapons, eidolons, and kamihime) and ~+94% water assault skill. 0% +HP since I use a +20% eidolon. That's likely what you need to do this smoothly, at least without stacking DEF DWN debuffs. Honestly, I could get the assault skill higher, but the Gem Getcha/enhance process is tedious and I keep putting it off.

The requirement for full-auto Ultimate is probably similar. You need enough attack power to kill the boss before it gets the chance to do significant damage.

Those are helpful numbers as goals to shoot for, thanks. That being said, when you say max level weapons, how many duplicates of the raid assault weapon do you have? The problem I'm running into is that I'm lacking serious exp in certain weapons types, for me it's lances. Given that I don't even have my weapon grid filled yet, the problem is only going to get worse as I presumable farm disaster for more of the damn fire lances haha. To be fair, I've been playing for shorter, so the amount of weapons I've been introduced to are less, but I still have a few unbroken gacha SR weapons that i need for assault power.

So yeah, does a completed grid have a bunch of duplicates, and if so, how'd you get around the exp bottleneck?

My grid looks like this:


I don't use the defender bow and lance except as mainhands.

XP isn't really an issue if you farm Advent Ultimates regularly (SR weapon enhancements are huge XP wells, and you can end up with dozens of them). The limit breaks are the primary bottleneck, not the XP. Also, once you're strong enough to farm Ultimate reliably, assault skill is likely going to be your main bottleneck on damage moreso than base stats.