Thread: [Event 12] Apocalypse & Phoenix Rematch

oh wow, i haven't thought to use the same SR weapon more than once and keep using them as materials to level up skills
not that it helps me 'cause my weapon skill level is low anyway XD

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

I'm 6 for 7 on Apocalypse Ragnarok, and 7/7 on Phoenix. I tried several setups on Apocalypse, but I ended up using my typical water team:

• Andromeda (heals, defense up for overdrives, Resurrect) with Black Propaganda equipped (+1 to overdrive meter)
• Belphegor (Massive rage meter reduction, type B atk/def debuff)
• Triton (ATK down and combo attack down, self-heal = good frontline tank)
• Shiva (spike DPS to end Rage quickly)
• Sol (heals, attack down, clear Blind)
• Eidolons: Character ATK up 40%/HP up 20%, Behemoth 45% (massive damage boost to a combo water/light team, second Blind removal)

I let Apocalypse use her first overdrive, clear the debuff, use Black Propaganda, then push into Rage. I partial Burst to end Rage before her 2nd overdrive. Once she uses her 2nd overdrive, I let Black Propaganda expire, reapply debuffs, and repeat. If no characters die, I Full Burst during Rage and that usually takes her to low HP. If 1 character dies, I should still be able to push her out of rage before the 4th overdrive for an easy victory. If two characters die, the battle gets interesting and I might have to eat a Rage overdrive.

I've found that the keys to this fight are:

1. Black Propaganda
2. Damage mitigation with high levels of ATK DWN (ideally -50%) combined with strong healing (~550 per turn)
3. Sufficient burst gauge reduction / spike DPS to end Rage in 3 turns or less without a full Burst, as needed
4. 2 sources of Blind removal (which can kill your burst gauge generation and get you stuck in Rage)

The one time I lost was when I brought Gaia along to mitigate overdrive damage, but then mistimed her damage reduction ability and ended up eating an unmitigated normal overdrive out of stun. After that, I decided that stacking ATK DWN to -50% with combo attack down was a more reliable way of mitigating damage.

In other words: If you don't have Sol then you will have bad time?

I can reach 37% atk down (Belobog, Belphegor and Jorm) maybe 42% if I use Jeanne or her skill.
For removing blindness I have only... Belobog?
For healing Nike (700) or Brynhildr (1200)(but that would be second not water kami...) plus Belobog have regen. So using Andromeda for healing is a must.

But even with it, I can get unlucky and she keeps using her skill 3/4 times hitting my soul... and when soul dies it is basically game over. Unless I want to use elixir, which I don't want.

Originally Posted by jazz154

In other words: If you don't have Sol then you will have bad time?

I can reach 37% atk down (Belobog, Belphegor and Jorm) maybe 42% if I use Jeanne or her skill.
For removing blindness I have only... Belobog?
For healing Nike (700) or Brynhildr (1200)(but that would be second not water kami...) plus Belobog have regen. So using Andromeda for healing is a must.

But even with it, I can get unlucky and she keeps using her skill 3/4 times hitting my soul... and when soul dies it is basically game over. Unless I want to use elixir, which I don't want.

What I came to realize is that while her overdrives are dangerous, mitigating those isn't enough. The spammable skill where she attacks 4x (?) in a row, guaranteed hit, is what you need to worry about.

Actually, two sources of Blind removal might be overkill. I need it in my group because I can't sit on Sol's heal; I need to use it. Belobog's cleanse can be used on demand. But if you follow my strategy and eat two normal overdrives after the first Rage phase, you're going to end up with Blind for two turns during the second Rage. If you get off a Full Burst, that shouldn't be a problem. But if you lose 1-2 kamihime, you might not have the DPS to avoid eating a Rage overdrive. Bringing along a friend Behemoth would mitigate this risk, but then you lose a Leviathan that could be used to increase your ATK DWN stacks at the start of the fight.

Andromeda and Belobog should give you the solid healing and defense buffs you need to recover from focused attacks. Take along Belphegor for sure. The problem you'll run into is that -37% ATK will still leave you somewhat vulnerable to damage spikes. You'll probably need to rely on reducing damage through other means such as dizzy.

If you were comfortable with your DPS and ability to end Rage quickly, you could bring along Zephyr for a little extra healing and extra ATK DWN? If Lilim were available I'd say go for it. Certainly Belphegor gives you a little more breathing room than others might have.

I tried Mordred and a single-healer setup for this fight, relying on dizzy, and while it worked I wasn't convinced I could win reliably. But going Mordred freed up an EX ability slot for defense down, which did make the fight go significantly quicker.

maybe it was a bad idea to get pheonix to 4 stars?
she is the only SSR light eidolon i have, but even with 4 stars she seem weak compared my other eidolons

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

What I came to realize is that while her overdrives are dangerous, mitigating those isn't enough. The spammable skill where she attacks 4x (?) in a row, guaranteed hit, is what you need to worry about.

Actually, two sources of Blind removal might be overkill. I need it in my group because I can't sit on Sol's heal; I need to use it. Belobog's cleanse can be used on demand. But if you follow my strategy and eat two normal overdrives after the first Rage phase, you're going to end up with Blind for two turns during the second Rage. If you get off a Full Burst, that shouldn't be a problem. But if you lose 1-2 kamihime, you might not have the DPS to avoid eating a Rage overdrive. Bringing along a friend Behemoth would mitigate this risk, but then you lose a Leviathan that could be used to increase your ATK DWN stacks at the start of the fight.

Andromeda and Belobog should give you the solid healing and defense buffs you need to recover from focused attacks. Take along Belphegor for sure. The problem you'll run into is that -37% ATK will still leave you somewhat vulnerable to damage spikes. You'll probably need to rely on reducing damage through other means such as dizzy.

If you were comfortable with your DPS and ability to end Rage quickly, you could bring along Zephyr for a little extra healing and extra ATK DWN? If Lilim were available I'd say go for it. Certainly Belphegor gives you a little more breathing room than others might have.

I tried Mordred and a single-healer setup for this fight, relying on dizzy, and while it worked I wasn't convinced I could win reliably. But going Mordred freed up an EX ability slot for defense down, which did make the fight go significantly quicker.

If only Andromeda heal was an EX ability then taking Mordred with it would be great xD
I guess I will give it a shoot tomorrow with Zephyr instead of Nike. At least she can some buff from Garuda unlike poor Belobog.

Originally Posted by CaptainNoobCN

maybe it was a bad idea to get pheonix to 4 stars?
she is the only SSR light eidolon i have, but even with 4 stars she seem weak compared my other eidolons

That is the reason i don't bother with her it has weak stats. You should see wiki first before making decision but you have that far not mlb ing her seems will become waste of an effort.

Originally Posted by jazz154

If only Andromeda heal was an EX ability then taking Mordred with it would be great xD
I guess I will give it a shoot tomorrow with Zephyr instead of Nike. At least she can some buff from Garuda unlike poor Belobog.

If they do that, Mordred will seem to be imbalance. XD just my opinion

Originally Posted by TNinja

That is the reason i don't bother with her it has weak stats. You should see wiki first before making decision but you have that far not mlb ing her seems will become waste of an effort.

usually i won't bother to check it 'cause i could get all the events starting medusa to level 100, and i wanted to get rid of all the eidolon R/SR materials.
but still, expected her to have at least more HP or omething..

always mess up da date, either ends tomorrow or the next day



prolly won't get a 2nd copy of Phoenix lol

Originally Posted by HungryHunter

always mess up da date, either ends tomorrow or the next day



prolly won't get a 2nd copy of Phoenix lol

there still 1 day and 9 hours till the event ends, so a little more than 1 day.