Thread: [Event 12] Apocalypse & Phoenix Rematch

son of a bitch, this game always crashes and lags

this is just like Brave Ravens again. Gotta put 1 tab and isolate on one browser

at least, I play Aigis and FK together on the same browser w/o lag or crashing

Originally Posted by gottesurteil

Whereas if I'd been playing during the original events, even if I half-assed it and only got like each eidolon to 2*... I'd have a massive jump/headstart towards MBL.

I'm quite sure I could MLB everything if I wanted to. But will I? Probably not. That's too much grind for too little return. Even though I could form a pretty nice Light team with my 2 SSRs, farming 145 additional gold tokens for the SSR weapon just isn't worth the effort--unless I get a lucky platinum drop.

Originally Posted by gottesurteil

Well, you're not wrong, except for the fact that if your goal is to MBL the eidolons, new players like me have it harder because it's 2 events in 7 days. Yes, Ultimate is way faster than Expert... but I don't have enough elixers to MBL everything. Whereas if I'd been playing during the original events, even if I half-assed it and only got like each eidolon to 2*... I'd have a massive jump/headstart towards MBL.

As it is, I'm confident I'll be able to MBL apocalypse, and get a copy of the other SSRs. Which is a shame, cause I'd love to MBL phoenix as well...

Ah my post was meant to be aimed at older players since alot seem to be complaining why it didn't reset in the earlier posts.

Also before you MLB Apocalypse I have a question to ask you.
Why are you MLB-ing Apocalypse?
Do you wish to aim for an all fire 40% team? Because if you already have MLB Crom, Crom is the superior Eidolon here (even though her debuff upon summon kinda sucks).
Do you want an all dark 40% team? If so, wait for 4 more events down the line (a 1 month wait) and you'll have a Dullahan (dark element 40%, 20% HP) raid event where you can easily MLB her.

Because at the moment, I see no reason why any new players (in the presence of time shortage) would want to MLB Apocalypse unless you're going for a dual element Dark+Fire team.
An Eidolon with a light element on the other hand... it will literally take around 3 months for another event SSR light element Eido to get here and even THAT Eidolon is much weaker compared to Phoenix in terms of providing raw stat. Sphinx can only provide 30% max light damage increase at MLB just like all the single element Advent Eidolons.

St.Nicholas (another light Eido after Sphnix) is 4 months down the line and then. ONLY then is she a better Eidolon than Phoenix at MLB providing 45% (which is a measly 5% more than Phoenix).

I'm not telling you what to do. Simply suggesting.
If you need a link to the order of Eidolons that will be coming up in the future, here it is.

(Edit: No wonder Light team is highly unfavourable on DMM or on this server for that matter, because the stuff that they bring to the table in terms of both Kamihimes or Eidolons are either very situational or just pretty darn weak. Just look at Uranus and Brynhildr for example. Bryn has both of Uranus's ability in one ability.)

Originally Posted by Inb4whales

Do you wish to aim for an all fire 40% team? Because if you already have MLB Crom, Crom is the superior Eidolon here (even though her debuff upon summon kinda sucks).

You're not considering the synergy of eidolon pairs. Pairing two eidolons with character attack results in a serious damage penalty at high levels of assault skill. You'll typically want to run a combo: 1 character attack/HP eidolon with 1 elemental attack eidolon. If everyone follows your strategy you won't have a maxed elemental attack friend eidolon to pair your Crom with. Not to mention Blind is a great debuff.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

You're not considering the synergy of eidolon pairs. Pairing two eidolons with character attack results in a serious damage penalty at high levels of assault skill. You'll typically want to run a combo: 1 character attack/HP eidolon with 1 elemental attack eidolon. If everyone follows your strategy you won't have a maxed elemental attack friend eidolon to pair your Crom with. Not to mention Blind is a great debuff.

I'm not quite sure if I'm understanding it.
Can you elaborate a bit further? Because from what I can tell, isn't your primary Eidolon (and the friend's support) the only ones who provide with the passive 40%, etc, etc buffs?

Originally Posted by Inb4whales

Ah my post was meant to be aimed at older players since alot seem to be complaining why it didn't reset in the earlier posts.

Also before you MLB Apocalypse I have a question to ask you.
Why are you MLB-ing Apocalypse?
Do you wish to aim for an all fire 40% team? Because if you already have MLB Crom, Crom is the superior Eidolon here (even though her debuff upon summon kinda sucks).
Do you want an all dark 40% team? If so, wait for 4 more events down the line (a 1 month wait) and you'll have a Dullahan (dark element 40%, 20% HP) raid event where you can easily MLB her.

Because at the moment, I see no reason why any new players (in the presence of time shortage) would want to MLB Apocalypse unless you're going for a dual element Dark+Fire team.
An Eidolon with a light element on the other hand... it will literally take around 3 months for another event SSR light element Eido to get here and even THAT Eidolon is much weaker compared to Phoenix in terms of providing raw stat. Sphinx can only provide 30% max light damage increase at MLB just like all the single element Advent Eidolons.

St.Nicholas (another light Eido after Sphnix) is 4 months down the line and then. ONLY then is she a better Eidolon than Phoenix at MLB providing 45% (which is a measly 5% more than Phoenix).

I'm not telling you what to do. Simply suggesting.
If you need a link to the order of Eidolons that will be coming up in the future,

(Edit: No wonder Light team is highly unfavourable on DMM or on this server for that matter, because the stuff that they bring to the table in terms of both Kamihimes or Eidolons are either very situational or just pretty darn weak. Just look at Uranus and Brynhildr for example. Bryn has both of Uranus's ability in one ability.)

Haha, your logic is impeccable. I actually knew about the super rarity of the Light eidolons, and they REALLY tempted me, but alas, other factors conspired to make me do Apocalypse first. Seriously, it's a perfect storm:

1)My initial SSR was Acala, and I joined like 2 days before the Crom event. So I have a heavily fire based team..... but could only get Crom to 2*. My first MBL eidolon was actually Quezalcoatl. Thus, needed Apocalypse for the Fire.
2)So I decided to do each of the events just for a few (to get the daily half-elixers rolling) and on MY VERY FIRST apocalypse ultimate... I got a free copy of her, thus saving 65 gold chest+other items worth. I had literally been about to flip a coin on which I wanted first - primary team was fire, secondary team was thunder. Gee thanks DMM! (sarcasm)

So yeah, ideally I 'need' both MBL'd, but again, events conspired to make me want Apocalypse. Plus, with the rewards for the DP crossover coming in a few days, that should hopefully bump up my elixer stock enough to MBL phoenix (apocalypse is done as of like 2 hours ago), though I seriously don't want to use elixers for this (half ones, sure, full ones no).

Apocalypse is actually the best dark Eidolon until Jack'o'Lantern in about 4 months (who is probably the best dark Eidolon period until a 100% dark Eidolon is released).

Dullahan is Character attack - not elemental attack. This is a big difference, especially if you have a full maxed out dark weapon grid. The 20% HP is nice but unnecessary. At least I haven't had any use for HP yet.

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Code:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qNE7JuihH0nlEWIFX8NZGliU06Gh3gKnnBhW0iKkKsU/edit#gid=728752175

At 160% assault skill damage, you get 4.5x damage as opposed to 3.4x damage if you use two character attack Eidolons.

At 40% assault skill and below, you should use one 40% character damage Eidolon and one 40% elemental damage Eidolon
Above 40%, use two 40% elemental damage Eidolons.

Originally Posted by Inb4whales

I'm not quite sure if I'm understanding it.
Can you elaborate a bit further? Because from what I can tell, isn't your primary Eidolon (and the friend's support) the only ones who provide with the passive 40%, etc, etc buffs?

In brief: you want to run Apocalypse and Crom (one that's your's, one as a friend eidolon). If you don't have both, you have to rely on your friends having the one you don't (every battle, all the time). It's best to have both. While you can be choosy with Ragnaroks, you need a basic combo to spam Ultimates with that can you can form every time, no matter what the friend lottery gives you.

Originally Posted by HoroBoro

Apocalypse is actually the best dark Eidolon until Jack'o'Lantern in about 4 months (who is probably the best dark Eidolon period until a 100% dark Eidolon is released).

Dullahan is Character attack - not elemental attack. This is a big difference, especially if you have a full maxed out dark weapon grid. The 20% HP is nice but unnecessary. At least I haven't had any use for HP yet.

Eeeeehhhh? If this is true, then Nutaku really need to get their shit together with the translation because I can't tell the difference between the two.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

In brief: you want to run Apocalypse and Crom (one that's your's, one as a friend eidolon). If you don't have both, you have to rely on your friends having the one you don't (every battle, all the time). It's best to have both. While you can be choosy with Ragnaroks, you need a basic combo to spam Ultimates with that can you can form every time, no matter what the friend lottery gives you.

Not to mention, if I'm running a fire team and you're spamming my friend eidolon list with bad non-maxed eidolons for a fire team, I'm going to remove you.

Sanahtlig, my question is, doesn't duplicate Eidolons stack? As in for example me having a 40%/20% Crom and using a friend's 40%/20% Crom.
I'm pretty sure it is because running double Crom gives my fire team 10k HP instead of the usual 4 digit value.
This means that ideally I can have 80% damage boost PLUS 40% extra HP for my Ragna runs where if I use MLB Apocalypse, I'd only have 80%/20% HP.

Originally Posted by Inb4whales

Sanahtlig, my question is, doesn't duplicate Eidolons stack? As in for example me having a 40%/20% Crom and using a friend's 40%/20% Crom.
I'm pretty sure it is because running double Crom gives my fire team 10k HP instead of the usual 4 digit value.

They do stack, but running without elemental attack bonuses incurs a serious damage penalty of over 15% at high assault skill (100%+). Check my damage calculator and see for yourself. Not to mention Fire teams tend to rely on temporary character attack bonuses, and you're devaluing that by stacking passive character attack bonuses so heavily.